Would You Take Driving Points For Someone Else?

anglolawyer said:
If it's sterile to keep arguing about it then why ... Oh, never mind. How many meanings of 'devious' are there btw? And don't forget 'controlling' and 'manipulative'. It's like calling the Germans 'efficient' or Italians 'cowardly' It's a negative stereotype that got applied to her just because she is a woman.
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Why, is that I've said what I think. I'm not going to persuade you and you're not going to persuade me. We are free to hold our differing opinions on the matter, and having expressed mine, I move on.

Rolfe.
 
Funny thing is that the only other case I know of in which marital coercion was advanced as a defence also featured what were perceived by some as off-the-wall (but seemingly not discriminatory) sentencing remarks. This was the case of John and Ann Darwin. He faked his own death and the two of them defrauded an insurance company of his life insurance and moved to Panama. They were rumbled and sentenced to 6 1/4 years (him) and 6 1/2 years (her). He got credit for pleading guilty. They both appealed against sentence but the appeals were rejected. They have just returned to the news in connection with the phone hacking scandal after a Sun journalist was investigated for hacking the husband's phone. The CPS has decided to take no action because, apparently, it's OK for a newspaper journalist to hack phones if trying to uncover a crime :boggled:

According to the Daily Telegraph the judge took a dim view of the fact they had deceived their sons into thinking their father was dead, even though this is not a criminal offence.

Mr Justice Wilkie said the “real victims” of the Darwins were their sons.
He told the couple: “Although the sums involved are not as high as some reported cases, the duration of the offending, its multi-faceted nature and in particular the grief inflicted over the years to those who in truth were the real victims, your own sons, whose lives you crushed, make this a case which merits a particularly severe sentence.”
The couple stood four feet from each other in the dock at Teesside Crown Court as Mr Justice Wilkie passed sentence. Neither of them even glanced at the other.
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And now some petits fours at the end of the meal.

The woman who advised Vicky Pryce so very badly is now being charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice.

Barrister and part-time judge Constance Briscoe is to be charged with two counts of intending to pervert the course of justice, prosecutors say.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22875993

As a barrister and part-time judge, you'd have thought she would have a basic knowledge of the law.
 
The Don said:
And now some petits fours at the end of the meal.

The woman who advised Vicky Pryce so very badly is now being charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22875993

As a barrister and part-time judge, you'd have thought she would have a basic knowledge of the law.
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There's quite a back story with this lady. I am not au fait with the details but she is no stranger to controversy I believe.
 
I heard some stuff on the radio, very briefly. Accused her own mother of abusing her, or did I pick that up wrong?

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
I heard some stuff on the radio, very briefly. Accused her own mother of abusing her, or did I pick that up wrong?

Rolfe.
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Yes, she wrote a book called "Ugly" about her childhood in which she details abuse by her mother. Her mother sued her but lost.

The case was concluded in Briscoe's favour, when a jury in the High Court unanimously accepted Constance's argument that her allegations were substantially true.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Briscoe
 
Oh, THAT one! I remember hearing her interviewed about it at the time. Hmmm. Disbelief is finding it hard to remain suspended, here.

Rolfe.
 
On a very similar note the former Chairman of the Cleveland Police Authority is up for the same thing.
Perverting course of justice by persuading someone to take his points.
He was on 9 points, got another speeding ticket which would have seen him banned.
I was at school with him. To tell the truth I was surprised when I saw he had been elected as Chairman of the Authority.
I knew he was a Councilor but never saw him as even getting on the Police committee!
Local papers are full of it and now it's getting into the national press. It follows on from the Chief Constable resigning and being charged over giving a job to a relative.

Police Chairman on Charges

Seems the guy who took the points was the boyfriend og his daughter and a family friend but then they fell out and he spilled the beans.
 
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from the Daily Mail article:

Her son began a relationship with McLuckie's daughter and the families would watch Middlesbrough FC in an executive box with the future police authority chairman.
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That's suspicious behaviour right there (I'm allowed to say that, I'm a Smoggie myself)
 
Rolfe said:
Oh, THAT one! I remember hearing her interviewed about it at the time. Hmmm. Disbelief is finding it hard to remain suspended, here.

Rolfe.
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Hmm, I seem to recall something else about her but I don't recall it now and the internet is proving resistant to enquiry.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
On a very similar note the former Chairman of the Cleveland Police Authority is up for the same thing.
Perverting course of justice by persuading someone to take his points.
He was on 9 points, got another speeding ticket which would have seen him banned.
I was at school with him. To tell the truth I was surprised when I saw he had been elected as Chairman of the Authority.
I knew he was a Councilor but never saw him as even getting on the Police committee!
Local papers are full of it and now it's getting into the national press. It follows on from the Chief Constable resigning and being charged over giving a job to a relative.

Police Chairman on Charges

Seems the guy who took the points was the boyfriend og his daughter and a family friend but then they fell out and he spilled the beans.
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Uh-oh. Jailtime looms for both. Honesty is the best policy. I was sure I was done for last August when, within a couple of days, I picked up two 3-pointers to add to the 6 I had already (12 = 6 months off the road). I was despondent to put it mildly but sent in the forms admitting guilt. Then the gods smiled and one of them turned into a drivers' awareness course. I drive like a 90 year old now.
 
anglolawyer said:
Uh-oh. Jailtime looms for both. Honesty is the best policy. I was sure I was done for last August when, within a couple of days, I picked up two 3-pointers to add to the 6 I had already (12 = 6 months off the road). I was despondent to put it mildly but sent in the forms admitting guilt. Then the gods smiled and one of them turned into a drivers' awareness course. I drive like a 90 year old now.
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Jailtime doesn't loom for the guy who took the points, because he died last year. The fat slob former Chairman of the Cleveland Police Authority is a different matter I suspect.

And all for doing 36 in a 30 zone. Not clever. And as you point out, there is some discretion. It's possible a bench wouldn't impose points for such a minor breach, if it was going to be a disqualification matter. They're human too - I think.

Rolfe.
 
If it went to court he would get 3 points. He could plead exceptional harship, if they agree then you get the points but you can carry on driving. You have to show hardship to others though, not yourself.
36 in a 30 is Speed Awareness Course territory though. He would have to be very unlucky not to get offered the course (unless he had already done one within the last couple of years)
 
Rolfe said:
Jailtime doesn't loom for the guy who took the points, because he died last year. The fat slob former Chairman of the Cleveland Police Authority is a different matter I suspect.

And all for doing 36 in a 30 zone. Not clever. And as you point out, there is some discretion. It's possible a bench wouldn't impose points for such a minor breach, if it was going to be a disqualification matter. They're human too - I think.

Rolfe.
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It's ages since I looked at the law but I think the defence has to show 'special reasons' not to disqualify and these are pretty restricted (rushing the heavily pregnant wife to hospital is an example). 'I am a fat slob former chairman of the CPA' is definitely not one of them. And I think there is, in practise, a 10% margin of error on the speed, so if you're doing 33 in a 30 zone you're OK. 36 is too much. Both of mine were 30 something in a 30 zone.
 
Well how did you get the driver's awareness course, then? If he was in line for that, they surely wouldn't deny it to him because of his position, would they?

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
Well how did you get the driver's awareness course, then? If he was in line for that, they surely wouldn't deny it to him because of his position, would they?

Rolfe.
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It depends on which police authority you come under. Not all have the same policy re: drivers' awareness and I think some don't do it at all. But that had nothing to do with the court. It's a discretion the police have to offer the course as an alternative to prosecution which is never compulsory for any offence. If he has already done a course within three years he is not eligible for another one. I know this because I had done a course three years and two months before I was offered the second one, a fact I am ashamed to admit.

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