Breitbart? Another lie or not?

[RandFan]

It is time for Neally to admit that there was no reason to bring down ACORN aside from the fact that they got lots of otherwise disadvantaged legal voters registered.

You are absolutely wrong about the only reason being that they helped voters get registered. They also helped poor people buy homes. Sheesh!

That's just got to be an evil liberal conspiracy.

Hey, groups can do bad things but the purpose of ACORN was to advance Democracy. But there are Republicans who will tell you that certain people should not vote. Those people who should not vote tend be those who vote for Democrats. God forbid they, the GOP, should focus on the needs of people and their message rather than demonize or make it difficult for some people to vote.

Ann Coulter told The New York Observer that she believes women shouldn’t have the right to vote:

If we took away women’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Democrat president. It’s kind of a pipe dream, it’s a personal fantasy of mine, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that women are voting so stupidly, at least single women.

I appreciate her honesty. Most Republicans will tell you that voter ID laws are not to disenfranchise voters even though there is no evidence of any significant voter fraud.

She's a harpi but you have to give her props for being honest from time to time. We just need to get women barefoot, pregnant, out of the work force and back in the kitchen.

 

[jj]

You are absolutely wrong about the only reason being that they helped voters get registered. They also helped poor people buy homes. Sheesh!

Whoops. Sorry!

 

[Neally]

Money was embezzled by the brother of the founder, and the money was repaid by the family. This was all known well before the criminal O'Keefe began his "reporting".

And as for the reason that it was handled internally?



They sure do...

More excuses . The honest thing to do at this point is to accept the fact that I supported the claim that the organization was corrupt from the top down. You of course won't do that since you aren't interested in an honest debate where both parties are open to changing their position.

It is time for Neally to admit that there was no reason to bring down ACORN aside from the fact that they got lots of otherwise disadvantaged legal voters registered.

Will we see these false accusations fully retracted, or not?

See the above.

Your homework is to look up voter registration fraud and learn that ACORN is required by law to turn in everything they receive: the good, the bad, and even the absurd. Further, voter registration fraud is not voter fraud and makes absolutely no difference in elections.

What part of "ACORN was fined the maximum of $5,000 in Las Vegas for its role in a massive voter registration fraud conspiracy. The judge chastised the now-bankrupt corporation for making a "mockery" of the nation's election process. " do you not understand?

ACORN successfully, correctly, and legally got minorities and the poor registered to vote. The horror of it all.

ACORN was corrupt from the top down. Getting people registered to vote is hardly some sort of great public good. Registering to vote is stupidly simple in every state. Somehow people will still figure out how to vote without ACORN and their pervasive fraud.

 

[A'isha]

What part of "ACORN was fined the maximum of $5,000 in Las Vegas for its role in a massive voter registration fraud conspiracy. The judge chastised the now-bankrupt corporation for making a "mockery" of the nation's election process. " do you not understand?

How about the part where you falsely say it was fined because of "a massive voter registration fraud conspiracy"? ACORN violated a Nevada-specific law that said it was illegal to pay people based on the amount of voter registration cards they collected.

Not a single person was ever charged with turning in a fraudulent registration card.

 

[Upchurch]

What part of "ACORN was fined the maximum of $5,000 in Las Vegas for its role in a massive voter registration fraud conspiracy. The judge chastised the now-bankrupt corporation for making a "mockery" of the nation's election process. " do you not understand?

I'll defer to ANTPogo on that one.

ACORN was corrupt from the top down. Getting people registered to vote is hardly some sort of great public good. Registering to vote is stupidly simple in every state. Somehow people will still figure out how to vote without ACORN and their pervasive fraud.

Being easy to do and getting people to do it are two different things. ACORN, by and large, was good at both.

The problem with the justifications for your claims is that they largely fall apart when one reviews them with any sort of scrutiny. Yes, ACORN had trouble with some upper level people embezzling. That is the most solid criticism you leveled against the group, but they had already dealt with all of it, as far as I'm aware, before O'Keefe manufactured his piece of fiction.

What astounds me is that you still think what O'Keefe did wasn't a piece of pure fiction and is something he should be lauded for. Are you aware of what every investigation into it has found? If you're too lazy to read the multitude of links in this thread on the topic, here is a nice little summary.

To summarize even further, the worst that could be said about ACORN is that a few of their employees acted inappropriately, whereas O'Keefe and Giles "heavily edited" the videos and either broke, or severely bent, many local and state laws.

There really is no question that O'Keefe was the villain of that story. He lied, cheated, and broke the law and, slightly back on topic, Andrew Breitbart conspired with O'Keefe to pull the hoax off.

Explain to me again why Breitbart's organization deserves any credibility, given the lack of any value of honesty in its foundation?

 

[Neally]

The problem with the justifications for your claims is that they largely fall apart when one reviews them with any sort of scrutiny.

In light of the multiple instances I've given, which are just a sample, the court system disagrees with your opinion.

What astounds me is that you still think what O'Keefe did wasn't a piece of pure fiction and is something he should be lauded for. Are you aware of what every investigation into it has found?

This is the same weak defense repeated over and over, "Well the employees didn't commit any crimes! The investigations prove that!" As I've already mentioned several times, O'Keefe's videos didn't attempt to document crimes, but to document their inappropriate behavior:

Only one of the 7 offices reported the incident to police. And of course the O'Keefe wouldn't have known about that. At least one played along thinking it was a hoax. The others willing went along with it, and although didn't commit any criminal acts with their advice and compliance, showed that they had no moral compass.

To summarize even further, the worst that could be said about ACORN is that a few of their employees acted inappropriately, whereas O'Keefe and Giles "heavily edited" the videos and either broke, or severely bent, many local and state laws.

The accurate thing that can be said about ACORN is that they were corrupt from the top down as clearly documented by the facts I posted. O'Keefe brought to the public eye the organization with their fraud and corruption with his stunt. Congrats to him.

Explain to me again why Breitbart's organization deserves any credibility, given the lack of any value of honesty in its foundation?

Makes no difference to me if the left goes into conniptions over Breitbart's stories. He's been dead on with some of his breaking pieces, and missed the mark in others, just like CNN, MSNBC, or any other news source.

 

[RandFan]

In light of the multiple instances I've given, which are just a sample...

Argument by assertion. A fallacy. Your citations are missing. In any event, those "instances" are anecdotal and simply represent the statistical likelihood of a large organization of people with some of those people doing bad things.

You've not presented one iota of evidence to show a systemic problem or link between any of these "incidents".

Further you STILL have not addressed the links that demonstrate that ACORN was cleared of allegations by that ass O'Keefe.

 

[Upchurch]

O'Keefe brought to the public eye the organization with their fraud and corruption with his stunt. Congrats to him.

Just to be clear, do you think the story he presented in his "expose" was accurate or do you recognize that he heavily edited them to present something that wasn't really true?

Do his means justify his ends?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Neally, how many people voted illegally because of Acorn?

 

[Alareth]

You of course won't do that since you aren't interested in an honest debate where both parties are open to changing their position.

Neally, you of course realize that this aptly describes you.

 

[R.A.F.]

Each time the topic comes up, posters like you come out and try to deny it, whether out of ignorance or hopes that no one will challenge them.

While your posts are amusing, in a "wow, can he really be that ignorant" sort of way, you are most certainly not "challenging" anyone...you are simply demonstrating your ignorance for all to see, which is not the same at all.

 

[R.A.F.]

Makes no difference to me if the left goes into conniptions over Breitbart's stories.

So it "makes no difference to you", that you are being lied to by Breitbart, et all, for strictly political reasons?

 

[fuelair]

Well played sir!

Thought it would not stay here or in the original long - but they got the original and missed this... We'll see if they catch it in the quote!!

Edited breach of Rule 10. Cut it out, please. Deliberately quoting something that you know to be a breach is just as much a breach.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[AlBell]

Still waiting for the successful prosecution like O'Keefe.

Please hold your breath while you wait for Holders' group to even investigate.

 

[applecorped]

All acorn posts are off topic

 

[AlBell]

You are absolutely wrong about the only reason being that they helped voters get registered. They also helped poor people buy homes. Sheesh!

Sheesh indeed. Citation lacking but since you are a fellow leftie Randfan won't call it.

 

[RandFan]

Sheesh indeed. Citation lacking but since you are a fellow leftie Randfan won't call it.

Pro tip: It's not about me.

 

[AlBell]

Pro tip: It's not about me.

Evasion noted.

 

[RandFan]

Evasion noted.

It's not about me. I could and would mount a defense but it would be off topic. Focus on the argument and not the arguer.

 

[applecorped]

Pro tip: It's not about me.

Pro tip - you're off topic.