Breitbart? Another lie or not?

ACORN Corruption at the Top

Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN's founder Wade Rathke, was found to have embezzled $948,607.50 from the group and affiliated charitable organizations back in 1999 and 2000. ACORN executives decided to handle it as an internal matter, and did not inform most of the board members or law enforcement, and instead signed an enforceable restitution agreement with the Rathke family to repay the amount of the embezzlement.

In September 2008, following revelations of Dale Rathke's embezzlement, two members of ACORN's national board of directors filed a lawsuit seeking to obtain financial documents and to force the organization to sever ties with Wade Rathke. ACORN's executive committee voted unanimously to remove the two.

So here we have the board of directors attempting a cover up by hiding the fraud at the top then firing other members of the board trying to get to the bottom of the fraud.

In October 2009, Louisiana Attorney General Buddy Caldwell claimed in a subpoena that ACORN's board of directors found that a larger amount—$5 million—had been embezzled from the organization.

In 1977 ACORN accepted a $470,000 federal grant through the Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) program to train volunteers to help low-income
citizens. ACORN was accused of illegally using the resources for its political activities, and the report from a Congressional investigation found that ACORN had illegally used the money for labor organizing.

In 1994 following a Clinton Administration grant worth more than $1 million to ACORN Housing Corp, an investigation by the Inspector General of AmeriCorps found that AHC used government funds to register low-income individuals for paid ACORN memberships — a violation of federal law. The Inspector General found evidence of inappropriate transactions charged to AHC – and thus to taxpayers – “by ACORN or other ACORN-related entities.”

Further, ACH had also lied about maintaining separation from ACORN, which engages in overt political activities. The Inspector General found evidence of “ACORN having ‘created’ AHC to serve purposes common to both organizations” and “noted numerous transactions involving AHC and other ‘fraternal’ ACORN-related corporations.”


BTW, while not corruption, ACORN may be the single most hypocritical employer in America. They have long advocated to pay wages in excess of the federal or state minimum wage. It’s not just that ACORN doesn’t want to pay the “living wage” it foists on other employers; ACORN has tried to get out of paying the minimum wage to its employees and Despite ACORN’s publicly stated support of unions, the National Labor Relations Board in March 2003 found that ACORN broke the law “by interrogating employees about their union activities, by informing employees that other employees have been discharged because of the Union, by threatening employees that
selecting the Union to represent them will be futile, and by threatening employees with discharge.


Acorn corruption in the middle
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) was fined the maximum of $5,000 in Las Vegas for its role in a massive voter registration fraud conspiracy. The judge chastised the now-bankrupt corporation for making a "mockery" of the nation's election process. "This isn't a banana republic," Mosley said. http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-courts/judge-fines-acorn-5000-voter-registration-scheme

Acorn corruption at the bottom
ACORN vote canvassers apparently pulled names and addresses from telephone books and forged signatures in over half of the registrations turned in. http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/...cle_c128a355-2510-5a86-9190-61a06da50a70.html

50% of the 8,600 voter registrations turned in by the national group Voting Is Power, affiliated with ACORN, were incomplete or incorrectly filled out.

Following Colorado’s 2004 election, two ex-ACORN employees were convicted of perjury for submitting false voter registration forms; one ex-ACORN employee admitted to registering her friends 40 times.

In 2005, Virginia authorities found that of a sample of Project Vote-gathered registrations, 83% were rejected for using false or questionable information.

In 2007, King County, Washington officials announced the indictment of seven workers ACORN had hired to register voters, calling the episode the “worst case of voter registration fraud in the history of the state.” At least three of those individuals have pleaded guilty and ACORN was forced to pay a $25,000 settlement.

BTW after all the denials and screaming about edited videos by O’Keefe, only one of the 7 offices reported the incident to police. And of course the O'Keefe wouldn't have known about that. At least one played along thinking it was a hoax. The others willing went along with it, and although didn't commit any criminal acts with their advice and compliance, showed that they had no moral compass. Props to O'Keefe for shinning the light on this corrupt organization.

Cue the, "Well those were just a few bad apples, the organization isn't TOTALLY corrupt..." apologists.
 
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I could go through this line by line but I'm on ignore. Someone first tell Neally that a number of his citations are missing. Next tell him this does not begin to prove pervasive corruption. A.) There is no link between incidents. B.) There is no evidence that any fraud was pervasive. Finally, remind him that congress, prosecutors and independent investigators cleared ACORN of any wrong doing.

Anecdotes do not his claim make and ignoring real and substantial evidence that contradicts him is dishonest in the extreme.

I'm on ignore so someone else will have to educate him.
 
I could go through this line by line but I'm on ignore. Someone first tell Neally that a number of his citations are missing. Next tell him this does not begin to prove pervasive corruption. A.) There is no link between incidents. B.) There is no evidence that any fraud was pervasive. Finally, remind him that congress, prosecutors and independent investigators cleared ACORN of any wrong doing.

Anecdotes do not his claim make and ignoring real and substantial evidence that contradicts him is dishonest in the extreme.

I'm on ignore so someone else will have to educate him.

I think he'll get the message.
 
I could go through this line by line but I'm on ignore. Someone first tell Neally that a number of his citations are missing. Next tell him this does not begin to prove pervasive corruption. A.) There is no link between incidents. B.) There is no evidence that any fraud was pervasive. Finally, remind him that congress, prosecutors and independent investigators cleared ACORN of any wrong doing.

Anecdotes do not his claim make and ignoring real and substantial evidence that contradicts him is dishonest in the extreme.

I'm on ignore so someone else will have to educate him.

Personally I think it's just easier to ignore posts manually just in case someone says something you want to respond to.
 
The embezzlement from 2000 is a legit point.

There was an incident from 35 years ago which apparently had some bearing on the organization's levels of corruption in 2010 when it was defunded. Ditto the incident from 1994.

So it looks like the bulk of the corruption that isn't 20 years in the past consists of several incidents of low-level employees (and some former employees) trying to inflate their voter registration totals - this is like claiming that Wal-Mart is corrupt because a bunch of cashiers stole money from the registers.

So this is the level of "widespread corruption" that justifies O'Keefe's dishonest propaganda, and the subsequent defunding of the organization? Really? Hell, O'Keefe could have exposed far more damaging corruption at places like Bank of America. That would have required some actual reporting though. It also would have required going after an organization that has caused real damage to our economy and society, rather than one that helps poor people and minorities. We all know neither O'Keefe nor any other Brietbart stooge will go after a target like that.
 
this is like claiming that Wal-Mart is corrupt because a bunch of cashiers stole money from the registers.

"Cue the, "Well those were just a few bad apples, the organization isn't TOTALLY corrupt..." apologists. "

Am I psychic or what? Where's my million?

So this is the level of "widespread corruption" that justifies O'Keefe's dishonest propaganda, and the subsequent defunding of the organization? Really?
FTFY. Yep really. Good on him.
 
I don't suppose it is that surprising that people are still ignorant about how that eventually turned out. The scandal was sexy and exciting. The reality of what O'Keefe did came after most people's short attention spans.

As notable somewhere(s) within these pages indeed!!:D:D:D
 
Sorry, reposting something from someone who is on ignore defeats the purpose.
First you have to respond to this,


Secondly, if you have some cites to post, you'll have to come up with them yourself. There's a reason why Randfan is on ignore. That includes posting repetitive crap citations as evidence that simply wastes time.*


I don't suppose it is that surprising that people are still ignorant about the fraud within ACORN totally separate from the O'keefe video stings.

Clarification: no one is required to follow or even consider following your instructions. You are free to make such (just as long as you follow the posting dos and don'ts) but as the requests are left hanging out there essentially unnoticed they look rather pointless and demonstrate/suggest a lack of authority.

Note: We here posting (or, if it makes you feel better, I) know the ACORN situation (no functional fraud, a few very minor local area problems, easily fixed with no reason for penalties - teacup tempesty stuff)) so am vaguely if uninterestedly curious what you are attempting to push as major naughtiness on ACORN's part. Cite on, cite on. Or don't.
 
"Cue the, "Well those were just a few bad apples, the organization isn't TOTALLY corrupt..." apologists. "

Am I psychic or what? Where's my million?

You predicted that response because that's exactly what describes the behavior you cited. The actions of a handful of low-level employees does not indicate widespread corruption nor does it justify defunding this organization. If it was an organization that benefitted wealthy white folks instead of poor black folks that criminal O'Keefe wold never have touched it. You keep ignoring this fact because you know it's true. If you think it's wrong, prove it. Cite one example of him going after a real criminal organization, and one that doesn't involve an organization that serves poor people.
 
Note: We here posting (or, if it makes you feel better, I) know the ACORN situation (no functional fraud, a few very minor local area problems, easily fixed with no reason for penalties - teacup tempesty stuff)) so am vaguely if uninterestedly curious what you are attempting to push as major naughtiness on ACORN's part. Cite on, cite on. Or don't.

Try reading post #61. Multiple instances of corruption from the top down to the bottom. Oh, and that's still only a sampling, but effectively establishes the culture of fraud that infected that organization. Thankfully O'Keefe help bring attention to them and all their dirty laundry which resulted in their much deserved demise.

maxpower1227 said:
The actions of a handful of low-level employees does not indicate widespread corruption nor does it justify defunding this organization.
The head and the board of directors constitute "low-level employees"? You're not interested in honest debate, just partisan bickering. I've proven that the top to the bottom of the organization was corrupt beyond the O'Keefe videos. Deal with it.

If it was an organization that benefitted wealthy white folks instead of poor black folks that criminal O'Keefe wold never have touched it. You keep ignoring this fact because you know it's true. If you think it's wrong, prove it. Cite one example of him going after a real criminal organization, and one that doesn't involve an organization that serves poor people.
Welcome to the world of Truther debate: after you've been conclusively proven wrong, you refuse to acknowledge it and just follow with, "well what about this...". Lame.

Alferd_Packer said:
Like the Bachmann for president campaign
Off topic Tu quoque. Guess that's all that's left when the facts hurt.
 
Therefore, what O'Keefe fabricated is okay.
As I already said, thankfully O'Keefe help bring attention to them and all their dirty laundry which resulted in their much deserved demise.

Plus, only one of the 7 offices reported the incident to police. And of course the O'Keefe wouldn't have known about that. At least one played along thinking it was a hoax. The others willing went along with it, and although didn't commit any criminal acts with their advice and compliance, showed that they had no moral compass.

Not only what he did was "okay", it was commendable.
 
Tu quoque?

*sigh* Okay, I'll bite. What've you got? A misunderstanding of what "voter fraud" is? A mistaken belief that embezzlement is "fraud"? Something that only Glenn Beck could possibly take seriously?

ACORN Corruption at the Top

Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN's founder Wade Rathke, was found to have embezzled $948,607.50 from the group and affiliated charitable organizations back in 1999 and 2000. ACORN executives decided to handle it as an internal matter, and did not inform most of the board members or law enforcement, and instead signed an enforceable restitution agreement with the Rathke family to repay the amount of the embezzlement.

In September 2008, following revelations of Dale Rathke's embezzlement, two members of ACORN's national board of directors filed a lawsuit seeking to obtain financial documents and to force the organization to sever ties with Wade Rathke. ACORN's executive committee voted unanimously to remove the two.

So here we have the board of directors attempting a cover up by hiding the fraud at the top then firing other members of the board trying to get to the bottom of the fraud.

In October 2009, Louisiana Attorney General Buddy Caldwell claimed in a subpoena that ACORN's board of directors found that a larger amount—$5 million—had been embezzled from the organization.

In 1977 ACORN accepted a $470,000 federal grant through the Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) program to train volunteers to help low-income
citizens. ACORN was accused of illegally using the resources for its political activities, and the report from a Congressional investigation found that ACORN had illegally used the money for labor organizing.

In 1994 following a Clinton Administration grant worth more than $1 million to ACORN Housing Corp, an investigation by the Inspector General of AmeriCorps found that AHC used government funds to register low-income individuals for paid ACORN memberships — a violation of federal law. The Inspector General found evidence of inappropriate transactions charged to AHC – and thus to taxpayers – “by ACORN or other ACORN-related entities.”

Further, ACH had also lied about maintaining separation from ACORN, which engages in overt political activities. The Inspector General found evidence of “ACORN having ‘created’ AHC to serve purposes common to both organizations” and “noted numerous transactions involving AHC and other ‘fraternal’ ACORN-related corporations.”


BTW, while not corruption, ACORN may be the single most hypocritical employer in America. They have long advocated to pay wages in excess of the federal or state minimum wage. It’s not just that ACORN doesn’t want to pay the “living wage” it foists on other employers; ACORN has tried to get out of paying the minimum wage to its employees and Despite ACORN’s publicly stated support of unions, the National Labor Relations Board in March 2003 found that ACORN broke the law “by interrogating employees about their union activities, by informing employees that other employees have been discharged because of the Union, by threatening employees that
selecting the Union to represent them will be futile, and by threatening employees with discharge.


Acorn corruption in the middle
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) was fined the maximum of $5,000 in Las Vegas for its role in a massive voter registration fraud conspiracy. The judge chastised the now-bankrupt corporation for making a "mockery" of the nation's election process. "This isn't a banana republic," Mosley said. http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-courts/judge-fines-acorn-5000-voter-registration-scheme

Acorn corruption at the bottom
ACORN vote canvassers apparently pulled names and addresses from telephone books and forged signatures in over half of the registrations turned in. http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/...cle_c128a355-2510-5a86-9190-61a06da50a70.html

50% of the 8,600 voter registrations turned in by the national group Voting Is Power, affiliated with ACORN, were incomplete or incorrectly filled out.

Following Colorado’s 2004 election, two ex-ACORN employees were convicted of perjury for submitting false voter registration forms; one ex-ACORN employee admitted to registering her friends 40 times.

In 2005, Virginia authorities found that of a sample of Project Vote-gathered registrations, 83% were rejected for using false or questionable information.

In 2007, King County, Washington officials announced the indictment of seven workers ACORN had hired to register voters, calling the episode the “worst case of voter registration fraud in the history of the state.” At least three of those individuals have pleaded guilty and ACORN was forced to pay a $25,000 settlement.

BTW after all the denials and screaming about edited videos by O’Keefe, only one of the 7 offices reported the incident to police. And of course the O'Keefe wouldn't have known about that. At least one played along thinking it was a hoax. The others willing went along with it, and although didn't commit any criminal acts with their advice and compliance, showed that they had no moral compass. Props to O'Keefe for shinning the light on this corrupt organization.

Cue the, "Well those were just a few bad apples, the organization isn't TOTALLY corrupt..." apologists.
Called it on all three points.

Your homework is to look up voter registration fraud and learn that ACORN is required by law to turn in everything they receive: the good, the bad, and even the absurd. Further, voter registration fraud is not voter fraud and makes absolutely no difference in elections.

O'Keefe fabricated evidence to take down ACORN, not because of what it did wrong, but because of what it did right. ACORN successfully, correctly, and legally got minorities and the poor registered to vote. The horror of it all.

And breitbart supported every last one of his lies as unvarnished fact because it suited their political purposes.
 
As I already said, thankfully O'Keefe help bring attention to them and all their dirty laundry which resulted in their much deserved demise.


Not only what he did was "okay", it was commendable.

It's okay to do evil things to liberals.
 
The head and the board of directors constitute "low-level employees"? You're not interested in honest debate, just partisan bickering. I've proven that the top to the bottom of the organization was corrupt beyond the O'Keefe videos. Deal with it.

Money was embezzled by the brother of the founder, and the money was repaid by the family. This was all known well before the criminal O'Keefe began his "reporting".

And as for the reason that it was handled internally?

According to the Times, Wade Rathke "said the decision to keep the matter secret was not made to protect his brother but because word of the embezzlement would have put a 'weapon' into the hands of enemies of Acorn, a liberal group that is a frequent target of conservatives who object to ACORN's often strident advocacy on behalf of low- and moderate-income families and workers."

They sure do...
 
It is time for Neally to admit that there was no reason to bring down ACORN aside from the fact that they got lots of otherwise disadvantaged legal voters registered.

Will we see these false accusations fully retracted, or not?
 
It is time for Neally to admit that there was no reason to bring down ACORN aside from the fact that they got lots of otherwise disadvantaged legal voters registered.

Will we see these false accusations fully retracted, or not?

You are absolutely wrong about the only reason being that they helped voters get registered. They also helped poor people buy homes. Sheesh!
 

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