It isn't "imagination" at work, I have completely tested for that myself. I have demonstrated to private group of 4 people. a GP with a witness present (Mr Cederberg) A Priest with a witness present (Mr Roberts) and 8 further individuals. All but one confirm most definitely, a spirit-world. All 3 family member's confirm our Father's voice. The person that would not confirm, accused me of staging the voices. There will be legal documentation, going back 20 years, of "unexplained" accounts. I do have names and dates of everything that has ever been legally documented.
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It isn't "imagination" at work, I have completely tested for that myself. I have demonstrated to private group of 4 people. a GP with a witness present (Mr Cederberg) A Priest with a witness present (Mr Roberts) and 8 further individuals. All but one confirm most definitely, a spirit-world. All 3 family member's confirm our Father's voice. The person that would not confirm, accused me of staging the voices. There will be legal documentation, going back 20 years, of "unexplained" accounts. I do have names and dates of everything that has ever been legally documented.
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Hilite by me.flaccon said:
I am pretty sure that I did not mention right clicking. It's all just regular left clicks.
The same explanation as above, but with pictures.
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You really haven't. From what I've read on your website and from what you've written here, you have sought out confirmation of your belief.
No 'test' has ever been done.
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Hilite added by me.
Yes, I use external speakers and I did turn them and all the audio settings on my computer up as far as they could go.
I attempted this because I was trying to replicate your results. It's one of those things that some of us try to do if we can.
No, my house is not haunted. I kind of wish it was though, it would make life a bit more interesting.
I have been sitting wracking my brains as to why there is a great loss of volume after transference of files through the net. I think I know why, or at least, it's the most plausible answer I can find.. The spirits are not actually being recorded as I hit "record" So maybe this has to do with the loss of volume after transference? I don't know, but there will be a reason for the volume loss.
A haunted house is nothing to be excited about, really.
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Pixel42
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Please try to understand that if all you've done is play recordings to people and ask them if they can hear voices on them then all you might have done is confirm that everybody is prone to pareidolia. The possibility that there really are spirit voices on your recordings certainly hasn't been eliminated, but it hasn't been confirmed either. You need to carefully eliminate pareidolia (and, indeed, crosstalk and interference) as an explanation before you can confidently conclude that the voices really are there, let alone that they are the voices of spirits. This would be true even if the posters who had listened to your transferred recordings had also thought they could hear voices.
Once again I can only recommend that you try the only kind of test whose results would be meaningful and indisputable: a test that showed the voices were giving you correct information about something you could know in no other way.
Yes tests have been done. I have done the testing, and gathered enough witnesses to rule out a delusion of any kind. Further investigation is necessary. Witnesses with solid profession, clean background, "common sense" Hands-on is the only real approach to this.
TeapotCavalry
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This is indeed the most plausible explanation, because it technically doesn't seem to be loss of volume, but lack of signal. If we'd have signal, low volume wouldn't be much of a hinderance.
So, what would the next step be? Try to record with a secondary device when you hit the playback button on your laptop (which, if I understood correctly, was the time the voices spoke)? If people hear voices, they must be audible, and if so, they must be recordable - unless the voices originate from inside the mind.
Pixel42
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Pareidolia is not delusion. Everybody is prone to it, including upright professional citizens with bags of common sense. How many more times must you be told this before you grasp it?
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flaccon said:Hilite added by me.
Yes, I use external speakers and I did turn them and all the audio settings on my computer up as far as they could go.
I attempted this because I was trying to replicate your results. It's one of those things that some of us try to do if we can.
No, my house is not haunted. I kind of wish it was though, it would make life a bit more interesting.
I have been sitting wracking my brains as to why there is a great loss of volume after transference of files through the net. I think I know why, or at least, it's the most plausible answer I can find.. The spirits are not actually being recorded as I hit "record" So maybe this has to do with the loss of volume after transference? I don't know, but there will be a reason for the volume loss.
A haunted house is nothing to be excited about, really.
This is a bit off topic for the thread, so I'll make this short comment and then leave it alone:
(off topic) I did not say excited, but that aside, really? Why would that not be something to be excited about? (/off topic)
Done. I selected "silence" and recorded for 12 seconds. I don't know what I was supposed to hear. There is no change, the spirit's are still present.
My knowledge of technology is quite basic. Could you explain what the purpose was for this test? What was I supposed to find? I saved the file.
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I listened to the downloaded Test 2 on my system, using internal speakers, external speakers, and headphones.
I listened to the file at this link (thanks, Stray Cat!)
flaccon, is the posted file an accurate representation of what you hear at home?
I thought I had posted this idea for a protocol earlier, but a search on my username didn't turn it up.
This depends on the claim being that the spirit voices are in the recordings before anyone listens to them.
Come up with a numbered list of ten questions for the spirits that have known answers. Simple things. like "what is 2+2?" "What city are we in?" "What country does my aunt live in?" Stuff like that. It's okay if flaccon knows the answer, too.
Each question should be on a different subject, so that answers can be easily associated with questions. You wouldn't want two questions to which the answer was a city, for example.
Flaccon should ask the question, recording the answer to a numbered file, but not listen to the answer yet.
After asking all the questions, and recording all the answers, flaccon should leave the room and have someone else rename the files to A through J using dice. For the A file, roll the dice, and rename whatever number comes up to A. There should be a list made so that we know what number is in which letter-named file. Continue in this way for B, C, D, etc. If the number is 11 or 12, or the number that comes up has already been renamed, roll the dice again. Obviously, after renaming to I, there will only be one file that can be J.
Now the person doing the renaming should leave the room with the lists of questions and what the answers have been renamed to.
Flaccon can listen to file A, and write down the answers she hears in file A.
When she's satisfied that she's heard everything correctly, she can continue on to B, and so on.
If she wants to go over them any number of times to make sure she heard correctly, that's fine too.
After she's satisfied that she's heard all the answers that are there, and written it all down, the list of questions and the renaming list can be brought back in and the questions and answers compared.
Now, if the test were being done with a human that knew the answers, there would be a ten for ten correspondence of the questions to the correct answers.
I don't see any reason to think spirits should do worse.
But let's give them a couple of wrong associations just because. If 7 out of the 10 responses are correct, call it a win for the spirits.
If other people can see holes in this, please point it out. I don't see any easy way to calculate odds for this, though.
My expectation for a result would be that there would be some correct answers heard, but not in the file responding to the question.
This depends on the claim being that the spirit voices are in the recordings before anyone listens to them.
Come up with a numbered list of ten questions for the spirits that have known answers. Simple things. like "what is 2+2?" "What city are we in?" "What country does my aunt live in?" Stuff like that. It's okay if flaccon knows the answer, too.
Each question should be on a different subject, so that answers can be easily associated with questions. You wouldn't want two questions to which the answer was a city, for example.
Flaccon should ask the question, recording the answer to a numbered file, but not listen to the answer yet.
After asking all the questions, and recording all the answers, flaccon should leave the room and have someone else rename the files to A through J using dice. For the A file, roll the dice, and rename whatever number comes up to A. There should be a list made so that we know what number is in which letter-named file. Continue in this way for B, C, D, etc. If the number is 11 or 12, or the number that comes up has already been renamed, roll the dice again. Obviously, after renaming to I, there will only be one file that can be J.
Now the person doing the renaming should leave the room with the lists of questions and what the answers have been renamed to.
Flaccon can listen to file A, and write down the answers she hears in file A.
When she's satisfied that she's heard everything correctly, she can continue on to B, and so on.
If she wants to go over them any number of times to make sure she heard correctly, that's fine too.
After she's satisfied that she's heard all the answers that are there, and written it all down, the list of questions and the renaming list can be brought back in and the questions and answers compared.
Now, if the test were being done with a human that knew the answers, there would be a ten for ten correspondence of the questions to the correct answers.
I don't see any reason to think spirits should do worse.
But let's give them a couple of wrong associations just because. If 7 out of the 10 responses are correct, call it a win for the spirits.
If other people can see holes in this, please point it out. I don't see any easy way to calculate odds for this, though.
My expectation for a result would be that there would be some correct answers heard, but not in the file responding to the question.
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This is a good question! Flaccon, when you play the clips that you shared are YOU still able to hear the voices? Or is it only on your original?
If you can hear them on the clips that the others are hearing nothing, it would be informative to know.
If you can hear them on the clips that the others are hearing nothing, it would be informative to know.
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Wow, are you really not following along here? This was a way to get a sound file that was not picking up noise in the environment or from your computer, just dead silence.
If you followed the directions in my post you should not have "recorded" anything.
You did not hit the record button at all, is that correct?
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Or better yet, run multiple recording programs on the same computer, record the same time frame with each (carefully note the time each program began recording, so you can verify that a certain period of time was captured by all programs), and name these so you can keep them straight. Each recording must be of the same length. However, do not name them such that it would be obvious which files are for the same time period. In other words, do not use names such as "Test1a", "Test1b", "Test2a", "Test2b",etc. You can use fun names such as "Fred", "Sally", "Abdul", "Yoshi", and the like. Note down which file was recorded on which software and when. Do this for 5 different times so you end up with a number of files. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANY OF THE FILES UNTIL THEY ARE PLAYED BY THE TESTER.
Have someone else choose which files to play back for you, selecting at least two from the same time period, and at least one from a different time period, preferably using a random method such as rolling a die or flipping a coin. They will write out a list such as "Abdul", "Kawika", "Fred", etc. Have another person who doesn't know which recording is which do the actual playback. You are not allowed to see the computer screen (or the list, obviously) at all while this is going on. See if you can tell which ones are from the same time period, since if they are truly a recording of an external spirit, they should be all giving you the same message from the same spirit in the same voice.
This isn't an ironclad protocol, but it should highlight the paraedolia.
The first time was mind-numbing. Stripped of any belief I ever held towards such nonsense. The children we're targeted, subtly but seriously.
After a house move, it became fascinating for 6 years. No one was targeted.(it was a different type of haunting) I would liken the noises to taking a TV up in to the attic and tossing it into the air. The landing TV would produce a loud thud with a sharp crack, or creak. Eliminate the thud sound. If I tossed several TV's from one end to the other, that would be the exact sound, eliminating the thuds.
During these 6 years, we underwent terrible physical problems, and unexplained altered mental states. I did not think at all, that our personal problems, were a direct involvement from the loud spirit. I got the physical attacks, my partner got the mental attacks (twice) and my eldest daughter had her senses interfered with, ie; Sounds greatly amplified, unexplained brightness, and loss of seeing with 3D (ths also happened twice) It was only when a spiritual "protection" came, a loud and disturbing battle took place (Loud ethereal noises) That night, the cracking and creaking were replaced by a more gentle "pottering" sound. It was this "protection, that took me through a series of weird visions, to have me see the answers to our personal and unexplainable suffering.
That's when I first went for outside help, the Church hood.
Edit; This new type of haunting (after a house move and bliss for 7 year) is supposed to be the exciting one, and it is, now I'm more relaxed with it. But the not-so-exciting bit is , who's going to believe it? the more I explain, the more bizarre it sounds, but there are no levels of bizarre-ness. I have great evidence and I should be shouting it from the roof tops, but do you see? my jubilation would be considered an illness, and my careful approach is scoffed at, or feared.
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DuvalHMFIC
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You still didn't tell me, is flaccon the name "tracey" in the mirror?
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flaccon, if I may be personal, may I ask at what age you first became the subject of these hauntings? It's certainly fine if you do not wish to answer.
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