New Disclosures on Benghazi

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16.5 said:
Bwhahahah!
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What passes for intelligent discussion from right-wingers. What is known as childishness from skeptics and critical thinkers.

I'm waiting for "dude, you got owned". High school stuff.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
16.5, are you still unwilling either to substantiate or retract the two specific claims you have made in this thread?

1. That 100 people were killed in the Benghazi attack.

2. That the Obama administration overtly lied to deflect responsibility for the deaths.
What "new developments" led you to make these claims?
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Other than partisan desires... what?
 
16.5 said:
Well a busy Saturday over, we have time to catch up on things.

First, the 100 dead terrorists number was taken from a book, cited above. It appears to be the only estimate I've found. It never occurred to me that people would really care how many terrorist were killed given that it was less than all. You got a better figure, go for it!

Second, people deflect responsibility for lots of reasons short of treason, and there are different types of responsibility short of intentional treason. Here they wanted to deflect responsibility because they were grossly incompetent, because their soft foot print theory was silly, and because they wanted to win an election. An investigation is ongoing.
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Bumped (and fixed) for great justice! Again, if anyone has a solid figure for the number of TERRORISTS killed during their attack, I'd be mildly interested in it (and to think that this entire obsession started when I pointed out that the serial tu quoque fallaciatators were using numbers of the dead terrorists to bolster their fallacious arguments)
 
16.5 said:
Bumped (and fixed) for great justice! Again, if anyone has a solid figure for the number of TERRORISTS killed during their attack, I'd be mildly interested in it (and to think that this entire obsession started when I pointed out that the serial tu quoque fallaciatators were using numbers of the dead terrorists to bolster their fallacious arguments)
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Do you or do you not have material evidence to demonstrate illegality or an ethical breach. Yes? No? Maybe? We are more than 50 pages. It's been months. What do you have to show for your all important witch hunt?

I've followed this thread from the beginning and I've yet to see a smoking gun. I've seen lots of cheap aspersions, speculation and slander. What do you have of substance? I'm guessing the sound of crickets. Am I right?
 
I keep checking back because, I'm told, that this scandal will break wide open any day now. Any day now...
 
elbe said:
I keep checking back because, I'm told, that this scandal will break wide open any day now. Any day now...
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We are only at 54 pages. Be patient. Certainly the evidence to topple the Obama administration is days away. Just keep reminding yourself that Obama is a black man. That alone is evidence of his evil. He is also a radical christian and a Muslim born in Kenya. A usurper to American power. It's not right I tell ya.
 
In keeping with the spirit and purpose of the thread, the latest:

Fans of this thread know that we have been anticipating significant developments this week, including the pre-hearing deposition of Ambassador Pickering, which went ahead today and is still going. Reports indicate that it is "cordial." I repeat cordial.

As noted above, I think I mentioned it was originally scheduled for yesterday.

Keep checking back for the latest in the on-going investigation....
 
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RandFan said:
OH - MY - GOD... Not "cordial". Jesus H Christ on a cracker. "Cordial"? That's some heavy **** right there.
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I assume that means that the impeachment proceeding will be starting tomorrow.
 
DavidJames said:
At this point you are simply spamming .
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I find your lack of faith in Professor Hindsight disturbing. Lacking any evidence of criminality and/or unethical conduct isn't a reason to dismiss 16.5 as spamming.... well, okay in truth it is but let's humor him anyway.
 
elbe said:
I assume that means that the impeachment proceeding will be starting tomorrow.
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:) We can't have "cordial". Besides, for some, attacking Obama is like riding in a go cart. It's an unexpected pleasure.

The following video is NSFW.

 
DavidJames said:
At this point you are simply spamming .
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I concur, and it was a point that I've made numerous times that people are posting here in an attempt to disrupt the thread.

Like posting a discredited graphic three times in 24 hours.

I understand that people would prefer that the Benghazi investigation be swept under the rug, but...

Anyway, thanks.
 
16.5 said:
Like posting a discredited graphic three times in 24 hours.
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The graphic shows that you apparently don't care about the safety of embassy employees unless they were harmed while under a Democratic administration. Not a Tu Quoque, but a graphic example that your "concern" is politically motivated, rather then genuine.
 
DavidJames said:
The graphic shows that you apparently don't care about the safety of embassy employees unless they were harmed while under a Democratic administration. Not a Tu Quoque, but a graphic example that your "concern" is politically motivated, rather then genuine.
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Wow.... that is the very definition of a tu quoque fallacy.

I've also showed that it is misleading because it was incomplete and that the pure number of attacks is not very enlightening. For example, it equates an attack where 230 people were killed (ie African Embassy bombings) to one where no one was killed or even hurt (ie Greece attack).
 
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16.5 said:
Wow.... that is the very definition of a tu quoque fallacy.
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Wow. NOT IT'S NOT!

I've also showed that it is misleading because it was incomplete and that the pure number of attacks is not very enlightening. For example, it equates an attack where 230 people were killed (ie African Embassy bombings) to one where no one was killed or even hurt (ie Greece attack).
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Special pleading.

BTW: How concerned were you at the death of people in Katrina? How concerned were you that Bush installed an inexperience and incompetent head of FEMA and that resulted in widespread death and suffering? How concerned were you that Bush lied when he said that the devistition of Katrina could not be expected? Were you concerned that thousands of Americans died and many thousands more were maimed because Bush lied to the American people about WMD in Iraq?

Your motivations appear to be politically expedient. No one has said that anything done during the Obama administration is okay because of the crimes, deception and incompetence of George W. Bush. What we would like to know is why are you so concerned about this one incident when there were so many other incidents under Bush.

Oh, and unless you've forgotten, 3,000+ died as a direct result of 9/11. Bush's admin ignored warnings from Clarke and others.

If you are into body counts Bush's are in the many thousands but you've not said one word of condemnation. If you show me that Obama behaved like Bush I'll call for impeachment right now.
 
Give me material facts that there was a crime or serious ethical breach and I'll go after Obama just as strongly as I went after Bush. A man I voted for twice.
 
Bizarrely, the Democratic National Committee is attempting make hay (and money?) off the tragedy in Benghazi, in what can charitably be called a "mostly false" email blast.

"Republicans actually doctored emails between administration officials about Benghazi," said the message from Brad Woodhouse, communications director for the Democratic National Committee. "Then, they released them to the press, trying to pass them off as real in order to create their scandal."

Here is the non-partisan lowdown:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ats-say-republicans-doctored-emails-about-be/

Mostly false? I'd go with just "False."
 
More from Politifact.

On May 6, 2013, Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, told Fox News that more could have been done that night. "We had people that were getting killed, we had people who are willing to risk their lives to go save them and somebody told them to stand down." Chaffetz said the order was "as sickening and depressing and disgusting as anything I have seen." But the order to keep special forces in Tripoli came after the deaths in Benghazi had already occurred. The mortar attack was over at that point. We rated his statement False.
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