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How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?

Watanabe said:
Ah OK



He wasnt killing so many people in the 2000s and having any evidence that he could not be contained?
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Containment does not protect the citizens of Iraq from him should the dangerous psychopath ever have a change of heart. Or worse, die in office. Do you know anything about his sons? They would have taken over. One of them had his own personal torture dungeon.

Those are the people you think no one should have tried to depose.

If I'm ever in a nation with a psychotic ruler I'll make sure to note that Watanabe would condemn another nation coming to rescue me by deposing our leader.
 
Travis said:
Containment does not protect the citizens of Iraq from him should the dangerous psychopath ever have a change of heart. Or worse, die in office. Do you know anything about his sons? They would have taken over. One of them had his own personal torture dungeon.
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Let alone for a second that more people are dying in Iraq today than during Saddam final years.
If Saddam was a monster like you said, why then supporting him in the 80s when he was doing worse crimes?
 
Watanabe said:
Let alone for a second that more people are dying in Iraq today than during Saddam final years.
If Saddam was a monster like you said, why then supporting him in the 80s when he was doing worse crimes?
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For the last goddamned time. I never supported him in the 80's because I was a child then.

So stop asking me about this.
 
Travis said:
For the last goddamned time. I never supported him in the 80's because I was a child then.

So stop asking me about this.
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I assume you do not understand that nobody in the world politics cares about your and my personal positions, right?
The question is not why you supported/did not support this, it is about your Government.
And if you disagree with that particular position, do not you think that it would be good to say "sorry" to Iran?
 
Watanabe said:
I assume you do not understand that nobody in the world politics cares about your and my personal positions, right?
The question is not why you supported/did not support this, it is about your Government.

And if you disagree with that particular position, do not you think that it would be good to say "sorry" to Iran?
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Not anymore than I believe a kid born in Germany in 1970 needs to apologize to Israel, or a Kid born in Japan in 1970 needs to apologize to survivors of the Battan death march.

As far as what the usgov.org does or doesn't do wrt apologizing to anyone or anything, what do you expect an apology to do?

Why don't you stop whining and start a petition?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

Christ jesus you're a one note wonder.
 
BStrong said:
Not anymore than I believe a kid born in Germany in 1970 needs to apologize to Israel, or a Kid born in Japan in 1970 needs to apologize to survivors of the Battan death march.

As far as what the usgov.org does or doesn't do wrt apologizing to anyone or anything, what do you expect an apology to do?
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Japan has apologized in the 00s for the crimes commit soon before WWII.
The Catholic Church has apologized for crimes done centuries ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apologies_made_by_Pope_John_Paul_II

Why not the US?
 
Watanabe said:
Japan has apologized in the 00s for the crimes commit soon before WWII.
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After all your criticism of Sweden's criticism of the attack on Iraq you have the nerve to say this? I read the thing you call an apology. Would you like to tell us why that passes your personal standard of being enough when what Sweden said doesn't? And the crimes during WWII? The comfort women?
 
Wudang said:
After all your criticism of Sweden's criticism of the attack on Iraq you have the nerve to say this? I read the thing you call an apology. Would you like to tell us why that passes your personal standard of being enough when what Sweden said doesn't? And the crimes during WWII? The comfort women?
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I have never said that if passes my personal standards.
 
The USA isn't obligated to give out useless apologies because other people give out useless apologies.
 
Watanabe said:
Moral crime, if you want to use this word..
Anyway, in which country supporting a mad genocidal is not a crime?
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No, I don't want to use this word.
And for your question. Obviously a lot of countries. Or else they would have run afoul with the law. As they didn't, it wasn't a crime.

Look. Watching the two neighborhood bullies (Iran and Iraq) duke it out with each other isn't a crime. Not wishing to stop it, because as long as they fight with each other, they more or less don't bother the rest of the neighborhood, isn't a crime either.
Helping the weaker bully (Iraq) against the stronger one (Iran) might not be the nicest action you can imagine (it might even be construed as cynical), but still isn't a crime.

The question is. What was at that moment the first priority of the other nations?
The well being of the bully (this includes the population of both countries) or the well being of the neighborhood?

Mind that this was the 80's, so please keep it in that context.
 
Watanabe said:
Look. Watching the two neighborhood bullies (Iran and Iraq) duke it out with each other isn't a crime. Not wishing to stop it, because as long as they fight with each other, they more or less don't bother the rest of the neighborhood, isn't a crime either.
Helping the weaker bully (Iraq) against the stronger one (Iran) might not be the nicest action you can imagine (it might even be construed as cynical), but still isn't a crime.
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It would be nice if you would make clear those were my words, not your own.
Something about honesty and such.

And nowhere in those words do I give my own opinion concerning the choices that were made by the countries then. I just said the choices that were made weren't crimes.
The only opinion I voiced there was that I consider both Iraq and Iran the equivalent of neighborhood bullies.
 
erwinl said:
It would be nice if you would make clear those were my words, not your own.
Something about honesty and such.

And nowhere in those words do I give my own opinion concerning the choices that were made by the countries then. I just said the choices that were made weren't crimes.
The only opinion I voiced there was that I consider both Iraq and Iran the equivalent of neighborhood bullies.
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I think it was clear that there were your words.
And, yes, supporting a country that uses chemical wapeons is a crime, same as gassing Jews, or deporting kulaks in Siberia.
 
Watanabe said:
I think it was clear that there were your words.
And, yes, supporting a country that uses chemical wapeons is a crime, same as gassing Jews, or deporting kulaks in Siberia.
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I'd like to know what law makes that a crime, if you please.
I might agree with you that it doesn't look good, maybe not even ethical, to give support to any of those two countries. Not even in the 80's.
But a crime? No I still don't see that.
 
Watanabe said:
Call it natural law.
If you do not believe so, go out and say that gassing Jews was not a crime.
I would suggest to say it loudly at a AIPAC conference
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That's not a real law. Not if this is all there is to it.

And we were talking about the support for Iraq during the Gulf War weren't we? The one in the 80's? Whether it was a crime to give support?
 
Watanabe said:
I assume you do not understand that nobody in the world politics cares about your and my personal positions, right?
The question is not why you supported/did not support this, it is about your Government.
And if you disagree with that particular position, do not you think that it would be good to say "sorry" to Iran?
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Since you haven't stated a coherent idea in the first place, changing the topic is not helping. And more false dichotomies doesn't make your position stronger.
 
erwinl said:
Originally Posted by Watanabe
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It would be nice if you would make clear those were my words, not your own.
Something about honesty and such.
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Thank you for explaining

Saved me from making a "Just who are you, and what have you done with Watanabe" post

Watanabe said:
I think it was clear that there were your words.
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Not to me. see above. I honestly believed there had been an epiphany of rationality.
 
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