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How much evidense is required to finally convince anyone that Fetzer is a neo-Nazi?
Jim Fetzer & Conspiracies
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ComfySlippers
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I've always had a major dislike for Fetzer. He is a tit.
If he is now playing the Holocaust-denial card then he is simply scum.
Like the Robert Morrows, Clayton Moores and Anders from this forum he is nothing short of a sick bistard.
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Agreed. But from what I've read here, it appears to me that Uncle Fetzer is, in addition to a holocaust denier, a full-bore Nazi.
ComfySlippers
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Nazi? No. Misguided tit? Yes.
I say one thing to all holocaust deniers who do no nothing but watch YouTube videos:
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We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. I don't believe he's "misguided" at all.
ComfySlippers
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It's quite fashionable for some people, many of whom have never actually looked at the reams of evidence, to play the Holocaust-Denial game.
Personally I find that sickening to the core.
I wouldn't necessarily label said people as "Nazis" though.
That's quite a harsh thing to call someone.
I think they are just misguided prats looking for the next conspiracy to fall in love with.
Fetzer will pretend to believe in whatever will please the nut jobs.
Hes a failure in life so gets his pleasure from "looking clever" in front of gullible morons.
ETA: I havent heard Fetzer talk about these things but trust your analysis.
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The thing with Holocaust denial is that it tends to automatically throw you into the orbit of neo-Nazism by association. Despite the very strong anti-semitism he is displaying, of course Fetzer can still claim that he has not voiced direct appriciation for national socialist core idologies* or his love for Hitler and other historical nazi figures yet (he just lets others do it on his show), but he is certainly helping to push the nazi agenda with his Holocaust denial, which is a pseudo-science with very political roots after all. As a result of this, Fetzer is surrounding himself with some of the sickest nazi wackos the CT scene has to offer, and he doesn't seem to mind at all. In fact he has been doing this for a while and he keeps doing it.
Is Fetzer a Nazi in the narrower sense himself? Probably not (yet). But he seems incredibly stupid and gullible when it comes to processing information to fit into his world view, and he's obviously an anti-semite with strong contacts to the neo-Nazi scene. I found it particularly astonishing how he implied to Lenbrazil that his entire "research" regarding the Holocaust topic consisted of talking to half a dozen hardcore Holocaust deniers, who repeated the usual Holocaust denier bullet points over and over again, most of which can be easily debunked in a few minutes by anyone who has an internet connection and/or access to a library, even by an idiot like Fetzer, but apparently he never wanted to learn more about what he seems to think is the "jewish" side of this.
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* Sometimes however, he gets very close. In one of the podcasts I skimmed through, for example - the guest was Nick Kollerstrom - Fetzer kept toying with what is basically the old "Schädling am Volkskörper" nazi theory of jewish people corrupting nations from the inside, leading to them being expelled. It started with the following (at the 22:50 mark)...
Fetzer: "Is there a whole history of jewish populations having antagonized the nations in which they were residing? I mean I get that impression from multiple sources." ...
Fetzer: "And this is because the jews were displaying, from the point of view of evolution, a group strategy, involving promoting themselves at the expense of others, that became extremely offensive to the host population?"
... and continued with Fetzer pushing the conversation back towards this topic with his JAQing for a good part of the show, while doing his usual trick of never fully committing to it, just finding it "fascinating" or "important" and having the guest talk more about it.
Is Fetzer a Nazi in the narrower sense himself? Probably not (yet). But he seems incredibly stupid and gullible when it comes to processing information to fit into his world view, and he's obviously an anti-semite with strong contacts to the neo-Nazi scene. I found it particularly astonishing how he implied to Lenbrazil that his entire "research" regarding the Holocaust topic consisted of talking to half a dozen hardcore Holocaust deniers, who repeated the usual Holocaust denier bullet points over and over again, most of which can be easily debunked in a few minutes by anyone who has an internet connection and/or access to a library, even by an idiot like Fetzer, but apparently he never wanted to learn more about what he seems to think is the "jewish" side of this.
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* Sometimes however, he gets very close. In one of the podcasts I skimmed through, for example - the guest was Nick Kollerstrom - Fetzer kept toying with what is basically the old "Schädling am Volkskörper" nazi theory of jewish people corrupting nations from the inside, leading to them being expelled. It started with the following (at the 22:50 mark)...
Fetzer: "Is there a whole history of jewish populations having antagonized the nations in which they were residing? I mean I get that impression from multiple sources." ...
Fetzer: "And this is because the jews were displaying, from the point of view of evolution, a group strategy, involving promoting themselves at the expense of others, that became extremely offensive to the host population?"
... and continued with Fetzer pushing the conversation back towards this topic with his JAQing for a good part of the show, while doing his usual trick of never fully committing to it, just finding it "fascinating" or "important" and having the guest talk more about it.
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In all honesty, I don't think people like Fetzer, or indeed any other CT who gets into bed with far-right elements, cares one jot that they are associating with extreme right types or neo-Nazis.
That's because there are more than enough hardcore Holocaust deniers who arrived at this via antisemitism or sheer CT contrarianism, and their political illiteracy is of-a-piece with their historical and scientific illiteracy. Kollerstrom, who interviewed Fetzer and seems to have enticed him to come out of the closet, is very much a left-leaning CT-flavoured denier who shares in the same delusions about 9/11 as Fetzer.
Until the 1980s, Holocaust denial was fairly solidly rooted in the far right; the few seeming exceptions were essentially patronised by neo-Nazis, but nearly every denier of the first generation was a neo-Nazi, and indeed some were ex-SS. But in the 1980s, the IHR tried very hard to market itself to libertarian and traditionalist Christian circles, and to entice a few contrarians into the fold.
The undoubted predominant motive for deniers has been antisemitism; rehabilitating the Third Reich or 'restoring German national honour' was a strong motive for German deniers and doctrinaire neo-Nazis, but everyone else cared about the issue because they thought it was a way to sock it to the Jews, as it were.
Fetzer's addled thought-processes don't even really get that far. His antisemitism seems second-hand, absorbed from the environment of Veterans Today. He has truly, fallen down the rabbit hole on this one, which makes me wonder whether someone couldn't plead diminished mental capacity on his behalf, if he ever found himself indicted in Germany for incitement to racial hatred.
On a related note: as he's approaching 73 years of age, how much longer do you think the world is going to have to put up with this moron?
That's because there are more than enough hardcore Holocaust deniers who arrived at this via antisemitism or sheer CT contrarianism, and their political illiteracy is of-a-piece with their historical and scientific illiteracy. Kollerstrom, who interviewed Fetzer and seems to have enticed him to come out of the closet, is very much a left-leaning CT-flavoured denier who shares in the same delusions about 9/11 as Fetzer.
Until the 1980s, Holocaust denial was fairly solidly rooted in the far right; the few seeming exceptions were essentially patronised by neo-Nazis, but nearly every denier of the first generation was a neo-Nazi, and indeed some were ex-SS. But in the 1980s, the IHR tried very hard to market itself to libertarian and traditionalist Christian circles, and to entice a few contrarians into the fold.
The undoubted predominant motive for deniers has been antisemitism; rehabilitating the Third Reich or 'restoring German national honour' was a strong motive for German deniers and doctrinaire neo-Nazis, but everyone else cared about the issue because they thought it was a way to sock it to the Jews, as it were.
Fetzer's addled thought-processes don't even really get that far. His antisemitism seems second-hand, absorbed from the environment of Veterans Today. He has truly, fallen down the rabbit hole on this one, which makes me wonder whether someone couldn't plead diminished mental capacity on his behalf, if he ever found himself indicted in Germany for incitement to racial hatred.
On a related note: as he's approaching 73 years of age, how much longer do you think the world is going to have to put up with this moron?
I'd say he crossed the line with the passages quoted above, he can no longer claim to be simply anti-Zionist or a non-Antisemitc Holocaust "revisionist". Just after the part you quoted he got even more blatant. I made a more complete transcript for another forum
Starting at 22:20
Kollerstrom: “the Final Solution” [was a plan to move Jews eastward but this] “kept getting blocked, other countries didn't want to take Jews” [plans to] “export the Jews were blocked by the British” [mentioned a plan to send them to Madagascar] “instead we get a tremendous endeavor to get useful industrial work out of the people in the German labor camps, that's where the British decrypts come in Jim”
Fetzer: "Is there, is there {sic} a whole history of of of {sic} Jewish populations having antagonized the nations in which they were residing? I mean I get that impression from multiple sources. You know"*
Kollerstrom: “Every single nation in Europe expelled Jews at one time or another...Britain, France Spain...”
Fetzer:*"And this was because the Jews were displaying, from the point of view of evolution, a group strategy, involving promoting themselves at the expense of others, that became extremely offensive to the host, host population?"
Kollerstrom Yeah, yeah at the beginning of the 20th century Germany was getting along very well with the Jews [they were treated very well better than anywhere else] but its very much economic strangulation, world Jewery, the international body of Jews declared war on Germany in 1933 [“throttled” the German economy prevented exports and buying food] We have a whole lot of statements in the 1940s to the effect that Jews wanted to overthrow the Nazi regime to stop all exports and to bring about war, in view of these statements they were regarded as enemy aliens and therefore they were put into camps and I think that's rather comparable to what America did to the Japanese...
Fetzer: And I don't believe the Japanese had done anything that was antagonistic, those Japanese living in California for example, had done anything antagonistic to the California population in general in the ways it would appear these Jewish sub-populations have done to nations in which they resided.”
http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim fetzer real deal-kollerstrom holocaust 2013 april.mp3
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I did read the portion of transcript you posted above somewhere else Len. Although I respect the comments of others that Fetzer is a douche bag- but not a Neo Nazi douche bag- I'm now convinced that's he's a goddamn Nazi. Just my opinion based on his latest comments.
This is from the comments section of the "Real Deal" episode from April 8 with Nick Kollerstrom (names bolded by me):
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I just listened to a bit from the May 22 Fetzer talk with Kevin Barrett and transcribed a few minutes:
http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-052213.mp3
The holocaust "revisionist" remarks start at ca. 1:08 hours. Speaking about Nuremburg trials and WW2 allies bombing campaigns, Fetzer says:
The host, Kevin Barrett, then asks something along "what if the number of holocaust victims was only 0.5 instead of 6 million, wasn't there still some horrific stuff done, such as hideous condition for slave laborers and mass shootings on the eastern front?". Fetzer replies:
http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-052213.mp3
The holocaust "revisionist" remarks start at ca. 1:08 hours. Speaking about Nuremburg trials and WW2 allies bombing campaigns, Fetzer says:
Jim Fetzer said:
The host, Kevin Barrett, then asks something along "what if the number of holocaust victims was only 0.5 instead of 6 million, wasn't there still some horrific stuff done, such as hideous condition for slave laborers and mass shootings on the eastern front?". Fetzer replies:
Jim Fetzer said:
Jim Fetzer said:
It looks like those numbers have been circulating in the "anti-zionist" crowd for years. I think the original source is a study that an organisation named "Physicians for Social Responsibility" (PSR) did in 2005, in which they estimated that an attack with ground penetrating nuclear weapons on the Isfahan nuclear facility in Iran could cause the death of "over 3 million people" in the immediate vicinity of the plant (including the entire city of Isfahan, pop. 600,000), and that a further up to 35 million people in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India could be exposed to increased radiation. This scenario did not even refer to Israeli plans but to the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator that the Bush administration wanted to develop back then (the plans were eventually dropped). The PSR picked the target for the scenario and modeled it expecting a 1.2 megaton explosion, which would match the most powerful bombs currently in the US arsenal and would be 75 times as powerful as the Hiroshima bomb.
So what Fetzer is doing here is simply declaring that the Israelis are ready to drop an insanely powerful ground penetrating nuclear bomb of a kind the US hasn't even developed yet on a very specific, well populated location in Iran, because ... well ... they are "zionists" after all, and "zionists" do that kind of ****. He then assumes that basically everyone who lives in the path of the fallout cloud would eventually die as a result of it to make the whole thing even more sensationalist for his listeners. Ok, now that i think of it ... Fetzer probably didn't think or assume anything himself - I guess he just heard from one of his pals that them joos are gonna kill 36 Million dead. And after preaching this made-up scenario to his few remaining followers that clown has the nerve to talk about "grossly exaggerated numbers". I don't know where to find the exploding irony meter here, but it's certainly about to reach it's breaking point somewhere right now.
Of course Iran has more nuclear facilities than just that one, which on some occasions led Fetzer to even fear for the future of the entire human race should Israel indeed attack them, because you can never know just how crazy those evil "zionists" actually are.
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Not to dispute others' opinions of Fetzer's apparently newfound loyalty, but I really do think many conspiracists who actively seek the public limelight will literally do or say anything they need to keep attention on themselves. For a conspiracy theorist with a long-time career, that means a sort of arms race of increasingly distasteful and inflammatory rhetoric. You have to outrun the other conspiracists.
As long as people keep worshiping his useless doctorate and handing him a microphone, I'm sure he'll keep blabbering about any topic you hand him. I know of a handful of conspiracists who didn't let age-related dementia stop them from extending their careers well into senility. Like a good cheese or wine, conspiracy thinking tends to improve with age.
There has been a recent burst of activity on the previously near moribund FETZERclaimsDEBUNK Yahoo group regarding Fetzer's recent turn toward Nazism; too much for me to copy here or to the EF. Since it can only be read by members you'll have to sign up, but Fetzer's lunacy is worth the price of admission (free).
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/
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LSSBB
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Why doesn't Fetzer come debate on JREF, or is he banned here? He's certainly OK with debating on a forum expressly created for debunking him.
ETA: Looks like he's just posting to pimp his own product. JFK conspiracies, website
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I think having a forum with his name on it, even if it is devoted to debunking him appeals to Fetzer's narcissism; a variation on the maxim 'there's no such thing as bad publicity'. And he gets an e-mail everytime a post is made so ones with 'shocking' titles are hard for him to ignore. I seriously doubt he'd show here other than to pigeon spam.
Phase 2 of virtually every Holocaust denier's outing is the I-am-attacked-and-victimised for-speaking-forbidden-truths routine, so it should not come to anyone's surprise that Fetzer's latest article at VT does not make an exception here. Again, he lists the sources on which he formed his opinion, which are entirely Holocaust deniers. Of course he does not address the fact that in his conversations with them the terms "jew", "israeli" and "zionist" routinely dissolve into one blur of anti-jewish resentment and that many of them are self-confessed Nazi admirers. He's still trying to pull the "anti-zionist" card.
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