Breitbart? Another lie or not?

maxpower1227 said:
We know he's lying. As long as it's in defense of criminals who choose to spend their careers slandering poor people and minorities, it's ok.
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jj said:
Moderates like me can tell that the "documented" corruption was for the most part forged.
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Just so that we are in a legitimate debate, you'll need to be clear that if I can provide evidence of corruption within the company, from the highest levels down to the lowest, you'll admit that ACORN was indeed corrupt? The evidence will be entirely free of any sort of "forged", "doctored" or "edited" accusations.

Alternatively, what evidence will you accept that ACORN was a corrupt organization?
 
RandFan said:
[citations missing] Argument by assertion and a bald face lie.
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I don't doubt that corruption may have been involved, but that's common everywhere. I saw no evidence that it was widespread throughout the entire structure aside from the BS from the o'keefe supporters.
 
Neally said:
Just so that we are in a legitimate debate, you'll need to be clear that if I can provide evidence of corruption within the company, from the highest levels down to the lowest, you'll admit that ACORN was indeed corrupt? The evidence will be entirely free of any sort of "forged", "doctored" or "edited" accusations.

Alternatively, what evidence will you accept that ACORN was a corrupt organization?
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Evidence from a successful criminal investigation successfully prosecuting all of the above, you know, like happened to O'Keefe.
 
 
Neally said:
Not to mention the pervasive fraud in ACORN.
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I don't suppose it is that surprising that people are still ignorant about how that eventually turned out. The scandal was sexy and exciting. The reality of what O'Keefe did came after most people's short attention spans.
 
 
Upchurch said:
I don't suppose it is that surprising that people are still ignorant about how that eventually turned out. The scandal was sexy and exciting. The reality of what O'Keefe did came after most people's short attention spans.
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Well yeah, we had some conservatives blaming ACORN for stealing the 2012 election, two years after they disbanded!

49% of GOP voters nationally say they think that ACORN stole the election for President Obama. We found that 52% of Republicans thought that ACORN stole the 2008 election for Obama, so this is a modest decline, but perhaps smaller than might have been expected given that ACORN doesn't exist anymore.
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But we're the ones who are deluded, right, Neally?
 
elbe said:
I don't doubt that corruption may have been involved, but that's common everywhere. I saw no evidence that it was widespread throughout the entire structure aside from the BS from the o'keefe supporters.
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We know there was "some" corruption. That has been documented. But it was NOT pervasive. ACORN ran a clean organization and they were rightly cleared. They did not deserve what they got by that ass O'keefe by any stretch of the imagination.
 
RandFan said:
We know there was "some" corruption. That has been documented. But it was NOT pervasive. ACORN ran a clean organization and they were rightly cleared. They did not deserve what they got by that ass O'keefe by any stretch of the imagination.
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But ACORN was an Evil Liberal Organization. You know they're corrupt, because they have both 'Evil' and 'Liberal' in the name.
 
maxpower1227 said:
Your counterevidence, Neally?
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Sorry, reposting something from someone who is on ignore defeats the purpose.
First you have to respond to this,
Just so that we are in a legitimate debate, you'll need to be clear that if I can provide evidence of corruption within the company, from the highest levels down to the lowest, you'll admit that ACORN was indeed corrupt? The evidence will be entirely free of any sort of "forged", "doctored" or "edited" accusations.

Alternatively, what evidence will you accept that ACORN was a corrupt organization?
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Secondly, if you have some cites to post, you'll have to come up with them yourself. There's a reason why Randfan is on ignore. That includes posting repetitive crap citations as evidence that simply wastes time.


Upchurch said:
I don't suppose it is that surprising that people are still ignorant about how that eventually turned out. The scandal was sexy and exciting. The reality of what O'Keefe did came after most people's short attention spans.
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I don't suppose it is that surprising that people are still ignorant about the fraud within ACORN totally separate from the O'keefe video stings.
 
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Neally said:
First you have to respond to this,
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Somebody already responded to that with a perfectly reasonable response: that a successful criminal investigation would determine guilt, NOT a maliciously edited hit piece made by someone with an agenda. That's the way guilt is usually determined in this country.


Secondly, if you have some cites to post, you'll have to come up with them yourself. There's a reason why Randfan is on ignore. That includes posting repetitive crap citations as evidence that simply wastes time.
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Sure thing. Here you go:

ACORN: GAO Investigation Finds No Misuse of Federal Dollars

ACORN Workers Cleared in NYC Pimp Video | Fox News

Two years later, ACORN cleared of voter-fraud charges

Congressional report clears ACORN of wrongdoing — after group forced to disband

ACORN Cleared of Voter Fraud Charges in Connecticut

Brooklyn prosecutors on Monday cleared ACORN of criminal wrongdoing after a four-month probe that began when undercover conservative

ACORN Workers Cleared Of Illegality By Outside Probe

Now produce your counter evidence of "widespread" fraud and corruption, from the "highest levels down to the lowest".

I don't suppose it is that surprising that people are still ignorant about the fraud within ACORN totally separate from the O'keefe video stings.
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And the evidence of this fraud is where?
 
Neally said:
I don't suppose it is that surprising that people are still ignorant about the fraud within ACORN totally separate from the O'keefe video stings.
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Tu quoque?

*sigh* Okay, I'll bite. What've you got? A misunderstanding of what "voter fraud" is? A mistaken belief that embezzlement is "fraud"? Something that only Glenn Beck could possibly take seriously?
 
Neally said:
Secondly, if you have some cites to post, you'll have to come up with them yourself. There's a reason why Randfan is on ignore. That includes posting repetitive crap citations as evidence that simply wastes time.
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I'd just like to draw attention to what an absolutely pathetic response this is to what was a rather substantial amount of evidence counter to Neally's claim, particularly given that he still has yet to produce any evidence whatsoever in support of his claim that ACORN was corrupt "from the top down".
 
jj said:
Neally said:
Just so that we are in a legitimate debate, you'll need to be clear that if I can provide evidence of corruption within the company, from the highest levels down to the lowest, you'll admit that ACORN was indeed corrupt? The evidence will be entirely free of any sort of "forged", "doctored" or "edited" accusations.

Alternatively, what evidence will you accept that ACORN was a corrupt organization?
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Evidence from a successful criminal investigation successfully prosecuting all of the above, you know, like happened to O'Keefe.
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I'm guessing we won't be getting any evidence from Nelly.

When was the GAO, Congressional reports, prosecutors office, etc., crap cites?
 
maxpower1227 said:
Neally said:
Secondly, if you have some cites to post, you'll have to come up with them yourself. There's a reason why Randfan is on ignore. That includes posting repetitive crap citations as evidence that simply wastes time.
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I'd just like to draw attention to what an absolutely pathetic response this is to what was a rather substantial amount of evidence counter to Neally's claim, particularly given that he still has yet to produce any evidence whatsoever in support of his claim that ACORN was corrupt "from the top down".
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Ad hominem poisoning the well. Pathetic is right. It's also dishonest.
 
Still waiting for the successful prosecution like O'Keefe.
 
RandFan said:
We know there was "some" corruption. That has been documented. But it was NOT pervasive. ACORN ran a clean organization and they were rightly cleared. They did not deserve what they got by that ass O'keefe by any stretch of the imagination.
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I only mention it so someone doesn't post evidence of some corruption and claim that means that it was all corrupt.

Still, I don't recall hearing of any actual corruption that wasn't tied directly to O'Keefe's "investigations".
 
elbe said:
I only mention it so someone doesn't post evidence of some corruption and claim that means that it was all corrupt.

Still, I don't recall hearing of any actual corruption that wasn't tied directly to O'Keefe's "investigations".
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Agreed, in the course of the investigation wrong doing was uncovered that had nothing to do with any of O'Keefe's allegations and was not pervasive. So, AIU, you are correct. Of course we are all waiting breathlessly for Neally's evidence to the contrary. ;)
 
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