During the last hearing, Mark O'Mara claimed that Trayvon Martin's phone contained a video, presumably taken by him, of a pair of his friends beating a homeless man "senseless."
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Merged Continuation Part 2: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case
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During the last hearing, Mark O'Mara claimed that Trayvon Martin's phone contained a video, presumably taken by him, of a pair of his friends beating a homeless man "senseless."
KatieG
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Thanks!
KatieG
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TM was 5'11" tall and weighed 158 pounds. GZ is 5'9" tall and weighed 194. Not so much difference. The 7-11 clerk has already stated he did not remember TM specifically.
GZ had fewer injuries than I've gotten falling off a horse. 2 very small abrasions and a punch to the nose. And somehow he refused a trip to the ER because of his severe injuries? Nope, not buying it.
The plainest reason for not taking the jury to visit the crime site is very simple. The jury is going to be sequestered. It would be a logistical nightmare to keep their identities hidden if they are wandering around the RATL. Secondly, the time of day and available light would be totally different and add no insights into the crime scene on the night of February 26th. I wouldn't be any money on that decision being overturned.
Lastly, GZ and the DT can't just randomly shop for a new judge every time a decision is handed down by the sitting judge. It doesn't work that way, in any court, in any state.
GZ had fewer injuries than I've gotten falling off a horse. 2 very small abrasions and a punch to the nose. And somehow he refused a trip to the ER because of his severe injuries? Nope, not buying it.
The plainest reason for not taking the jury to visit the crime site is very simple. The jury is going to be sequestered. It would be a logistical nightmare to keep their identities hidden if they are wandering around the RATL. Secondly, the time of day and available light would be totally different and add no insights into the crime scene on the night of February 26th. I wouldn't be any money on that decision being overturned.
Lastly, GZ and the DT can't just randomly shop for a new judge every time a decision is handed down by the sitting judge. It doesn't work that way, in any court, in any state.
Yep, she did. Thankfully, the rules of "evidence" also applies to Bernie and will hamstring his case. How Sweet It Is. No doubt in my mind that Bernie will start "flapping" and cross the line giving O'Mara West the opportunity to bring in Martin's stuff. Compared to that, George's little class and dropped girlfriend case is small potatoes.
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It appears Zimmerman's defenders have resorted to the abandonment of the rule of law and good old fashion wishful thinking.
But unfortunately, the trial will be taking place here in reality where accused murderers don't get to argue how tall and scary their victims were, medical records trump photos for determining injuries, judge's rulings don't get overturned for no reason, and a winning self-defense case relies on more than just asserting "He started it!".
Unabogie
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So Trayvon's 5'11" is different from normal 5'11"?
And you think the judge will be gone in a week?
Fascinating.
Unabogie
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Why would a video of someone else committing a possible crime be admissible in George's murder trial?
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I believe BDLR is being accused of lying to the judge (at what exact point/hearing, I don't know for certain) that there was no evidence on the phone that they hadn't already handed over to the defense.
I don't believe it will matter that Judge Nelson ruled after-the-fact that the evidence was inadmissable, because at the time the evidence was denied to exist, she hadn't yet made that ruling, and I'm assuming it's not within the prosecution's rights to assume she would have ruled that way.
Do you have a source for the highlighted?
The prosecution seems to have a track record now of withholding photographs from the defense, starting with the full-color photo of GZ sitting in the back of the police car, and now these photos from TM's phone. Are you certain the prosecution doesn't have the obligation of forwarding these photos (interpreted from the "raw data", apparently) to the defense? That is, if what you said is true, that the defense had available to them this same "raw data" from TM's phone at the same time (or within the appropriate discovery time guidelines) as the prosecution.
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This is also my belief.
Rebuttal evidence for testimony concerning a person's character or peacefulness. Potential reputation evidence.
Of course, admissible is the wrong standard to apply when addressing discovery issues - which was the focus of this discussion.
Unabogie
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Evidence that someone besides the murder victim was involved in a fight?
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How so?
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You think the defense is going to try and make a case about how threatening TM was by having GZ stand next to the 7 Eleven clerk?
Wha-huh?
Expect small billboard size photo's of the lil scratches on GZ a few hours after the killing to be exhibited before the jury.
Oookay.
I predict your predictions have about a zero percent possibility of happening. Mark it.
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I'm going to go with "bogus", and a "manufactured fantasy" for 100, Alex.
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The funny thing is that if the scenario included one more gun:
Kid going home from shop; gets tailed by a guy in a car; runs; is followed by the guy on foot; is aggressively confronted by the guy; the guy reaches for is pocket; the kid pulls out a gun and shoots him...
...would have been perfectly legal, and many of the same people now condemning him would probably be defending his right to self-defense... but he punched the guy instead, so he's a thug.
Kid going home from shop; gets tailed by a guy in a car; runs; is followed by the guy on foot; is aggressively confronted by the guy; the guy reaches for is pocket; the kid pulls out a gun and shoots him...
...would have been perfectly legal, and many of the same people now condemning him would probably be defending his right to self-defense... but he punched the guy instead, so he's a thug.
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Wait, you're still pretending that "the media" tricked everyone into thinking that Martin was 12?
Look, I really have no idea how you came to believe that one, but every news site that I saw, as well as every web discussion (including here) described Martin as being 17 years old. As I've said before, if you actually thought that he was any younger than that, then you weren't paying attention.
In any event, if Martin was so big and scary (and I'll put aside, for now, the question of what exactly backs your dubious claim that he was "scary"), why on earth did Zimmerman decide to get out of the safety of his car and chase him down the street just for "walking around, looking about?" That seems like an extraordinarily stupid thing to do
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Feel free to explain how running away from someone who is following you, makes you "the aggressor". Because in my view, that's an absurd claim.
Nope, George is 5'7" - even the coppers said so at booking. I have no doubt that George is as short as the 7/11 clerk and we will see in court.
I don't think the jury is going to be sequestered.
No big deal putting the jury in a bus, driving to the Retreat and seeing how dark it is. I mean, we can put a man on the moon. This can't be beyond us. The weather bureau can tell us what time to take the jury to duplicate the darkness in June, 2013 corresponding to the darkness on 2/26/2012.
Perhaps countersuing is so 2012 but this cross complaint was in 2005. The judge told them to stay away from each other.
I don't think the jury is going to be sequestered.
No big deal putting the jury in a bus, driving to the Retreat and seeing how dark it is. I mean, we can put a man on the moon. This can't be beyond us. The weather bureau can tell us what time to take the jury to duplicate the darkness in June, 2013 corresponding to the darkness on 2/26/2012.
Perhaps countersuing is so 2012 but this cross complaint was in 2005. The judge told them to stay away from each other.
Judge Bass in the Dunn case is already gone as will the biased Mz Nelson.
Far as I know there is no evidence to substantiate that Martin ran away but plenty of evidence that George was punched out and witnesses who confirm he was on the ground in a red shirt screaming help while Martin was whaling away at him.
Far as I know there is no evidence to substantiate that Martin ran away but plenty of evidence that George was punched out and witnesses who confirm he was on the ground in a red shirt screaming help while Martin was whaling away at him.
Boy, the media tried to put one over on the American people with the picture of Martin at 12 instead of the big guy at 17 including headlines of white man kills black child. What a ruse. I was shocked to see Zimmerman was latino/mestizo as I was to see witness Austin was black. The impression given was that this was some kind of high flying white enclave in Richville, USA. When some Aryan Brotherhood folk came to Sanford, their leader said of George "He don't look white to me" with his brown skin and latino stature.