Who is Behind 9/11 and Why? (Chomsky)

[beachnut]

Of course it doesn't exist. Beachnut alone needs just a couple of days to hogwash any inteligent dialogue on 911 on the internet. Multiply beachnut by 10 or 100. 100 beachnuts. How did DNA turn up on the Ground 0? It was brought by radar. How did the passport? Radar!

Sore RADAR debunked your best fantasies on 911?

You need some help with RADAR. You have been watching too much science fiction.

19 nuts fooled by UBL's nonsense did 911; kind of like 911 truther fooled by DRG, or Jones, or Balsamo; gullible. Simple stuff 911 truth can't figure out due to maturity? Why can't you figure out 911? RADAR, math, physics, knowledge, flying, ATC, NORAD, chemistry, military, USAF, FAA, NIST, NTSB, or something else? Why are you unable to figure out 19 terrorists did 911? Is it the actions taken after 911 making you prefer fantasy? I see you don't understand RADAR. What is your major impediment for figuring out who did 911?

Where is your intelligent dialog? Source? I was wrong, maybe 911 truth does exist.

... All I was saying Bin Laden and Al Qa'ida was a handy mythos to latch onto ...

But you can't explain how UBL is related to 19 terrorists inspired by UBL? Is this the intelligent dialog, or some political junk in the wrong sub-forum? Or what?

 

[Mikeys]

Beachnut, game's over. Go home. your wife's waiting with supper.

"But you can't explain how UBL is related to 19 terrorists inspired by UBL?"

I can't. You've got that right. No radar, no NORAD, no standdown, no FAA, no mysterious limousine next to the WTC. I am blessed with ignorance.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I am blessed with ignorance.

awesome post!

+1!!

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut, game's over. Go home. your wife's waiting with supper.
...

Victory supper, porterhouse, happy dog, etc... It is cool you have accepted defeat. Thank you, thank you very much.

What did Chomsky say? How is making me the topic going to fit with what Chomsky thinks? Chomsky is more into after 911 issues. He might confuse a few with who did 911; big hint, 19 terrorists did it.

I am home, I will be cooking dinner. You will not be getting the million.

 

[Dash80]

Beachnut, game's over. Go home. your wife's waiting with supper.

"But you can't explain how UBL is related to 19 terrorists inspired by UBL?"

I can't. You've got that right. No radar, no NORAD, no standdown, no FAA, no mysterious limousine next to the WTC. I am blessed with ignorance.

What mysterious limousine?

 

[abaddon]

Beachnut, game's over. Go home. your wife's waiting with supper.

"But you can't explain how UBL is related to 19 terrorists inspired by UBL?"

I can't. You've got that right. No radar, no NORAD, no standdown, no FAA, no mysterious limousine next to the WTC.

After all that nonsense...

I am blessed with ignorance.

...the truth.

 

[MileHighMadness]

Wow…the truther nation continues to go deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole.

I used to think “beechnut” was a little too hard on our truther posters…I’m now of the mind that he is being way too nice.

 

[JohnG]

I am blessed with ignorance.

Your blessings overfloweth.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

What mysterious limousine?

I never heard of that one either.

Maybe it was a Decepticon in disguise. I struggle to imagine what else could make a limousine sufficiently mysterious that Mikeys felt it worth mentioning. I also struggle to care.

 

[Axxman300]

They were accusing Sadam of tinkering with nuclear weapons, a bogus joke.Then, they were accusing him of hiding chemical weapons. No finds. What was the actual reason if not 911?

Yeah, except not quite accurate:

Parts for a nuclear centrifuge located:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/

The CIA's full report and mia culpa:

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap4.html

As for the non-existent WMDs...turns out they were there too (according to Wikkileaks):

http://www.examiner.com/article/wikileaks-wmd-program-existed-iraq-prior-to-us-invasion

Do you know who else thought the Iraqi Army had chemical weapons?

The Iraqi Army.

US Marines found cases of brand new chemical warfare suits still in their crates. Iraqi Officers have freely stated that they believed the US forces would be struck with them as they closed in on Baghdad.

So the only person who has been duped is you.

 

[Graham2001]

As an aside on all of this, I can clearly remember CT publications such as 'Nexus' and 'New Dawn' (For which I sadly no longer have copies of the relevant issues) running adverts for books with titles like "I was Saddam's Secret Bombmaker" and "Saddam's Hidden Weapons Program" right until it became clear he didn't actually have any and then running articles claiming that everything they had promoted regarding the WMD in their previous issues was 'disinfo'.

Does anyone have issues from the relevant period (2003-2004) to confirm this?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Yeah, except not quite accurate:

Parts for a nuclear centrifuge located:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/

The CIA's full report and mia culpa:

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap4.html

As for the non-existent WMDs...turns out they were there too (according to Wikkileaks):

http://www.examiner.com/article/wikileaks-wmd-program-existed-iraq-prior-to-us-invasion

Do you know who else thought the Iraqi Army had chemical weapons?

The Iraqi Army.

US Marines found cases of brand new chemical warfare suits still in their crates. Iraqi Officers have freely stated that they believed the US forces would be struck with them as they closed in on Baghdad.

So the only person who has been duped is you.

So the US lied when it admitted WMD in Iraq was a lie?

 

[twinstead]

So the US lied when it admitted WMD in Iraq was a lie?

I don't recall anybody "admitting" WMD in Iraq was a "lie".

 

[Praktik]

I don't recall anybody "admitting" WMD in Iraq was a "lie".

Well it kinda was, in that the fully formed thought was that should the weapons exist it would be commensurate with a case justifying a war and occupation... You can point to specific instances where rather poor information was finessed/exaggerated for political effect (tubes, yellowcake, etc etc).

So we ended up doing the dance around the existence/non-existence of the weapons the answer to which would determine if we went to war or not...

All of this is besides the point though, which is that there was some American duplicity with respect to the case for war - and likely there were True Believers and manipulators who were consciously manipulating because they believed the outcome would be best for their country (however wrong they turned out to be about that!).

The error w/ Mikey there is that massaging a case for war tells us nothing about the prior probability of America doing 9/11 to itself and sacrificing 3000 citizens to convince a very-easily convinced public about a case for war in Iraq.

 

[abaddon]

Well it kinda was, in that the fully formed thought was that should the weapons exist it would be commensurate with a case justifying a war and occupation... You can point to specific instances where rather poor information was finessed/exaggerated for political effect (tubes, yellowcake, etc etc).

So we ended up doing the dance around the existence/non-existence of the weapons the answer to which would determine if we went to war or not...

All of this is besides the point though, which is that there was some American duplicity with respect to the case for war - and likely there were True Believers and manipulators who were consciously manipulating because they believed the outcome would be best for their country (however wrong they turned out to be about that!).

The error w/ Mikey there is that massaging a case for war tells us nothing about the prior probability of America doing 9/11 to itself and sacrificing 3000 citizens to convince a very-easily convinced public about a case for war in Iraq.

The Bart Simpson defense. I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, you can't prove anything. Iraq had WMD's and actually deployed them against innocent civilians, who died in their thousands. But we can't be sure Iraq had WMD's. Really?

 

[Clayton Moore]

I don't recall anybody "admitting" WMD in Iraq was a "lie".

http://www.public-action.com/911/no-wmd-sdut/

Bush, Cheney admit Iraq had no WMD, take new tack

They cite oil-for-food scam as justification for invasion

By Scott Lindlaw
ASSOCIATED PRESS

October 8, 2004

WASHINGTON – President Bush and his vice president conceded yesterday in the clearest terms yet that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, trying to shift the Iraq war debate to a new issue – whether the invasion was justified because Hussein was abusing a U.N. oil-for-food program.

Bush's response was his first reaction to a report released Wednesday by Charles Duelfer, the CIA's top weapons inspector, that contradicted the White House's main argument for invading Iraq.

For his part, Cheney dismissed the significance of Duelfer's central findings, telling supporters in Miami: "The headlines all say, 'No weapons of mass destruction stockpiled in Baghdad.' We already knew that."

Yesterday, Bush used the clearest language to date nailing the question shut. "Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there," he said, his words placing the blame on U.S. intelligence agencies.

 

[twinstead]

http://www.public-action.com/911/no-wmd-sdut/

They admitted to not finding WMD, and possibly being duped. This isn't exactly an Earth-shattering revelation. Can you point out to me where they admitted lying about them though? Was the 'admitted to lying' part just a little artistic license on your part?

 

[Mikeys]

The error w/ Mikey there is that massaging a case for war tells us nothing about the prior probability of America doing 9/11 to itself and sacrificing 3000 citizens to convince a very-easily convinced public about a case for war in Iraq.

You can condition anything all you want or you can simply add 2 and 2 together and get the answers. Facts are the ME was occupied soon after 911. Remember W swinging the axe left and right, big daddy and all. Did they benefit from 911? Of course. Did they benefit from the 911 crash physics? There you go. There sure additinal profits were squzzed out but to claim 3000 people had to die to take down asbestos ridden buildings is overkill.

 

[LSSBB]

You can condition anything all you want or you can simply add 2 and 2 together and get the answers. Facts are the ME was occupied soon after 911. Remember W swinging the axe left and right, big daddy and all. Did they benefit from 911? Of course. Did they benefit from the 911 crash physics? There you go. There sure additinal profits were squzzed out but to claim 3000 people had to die to take down asbestos ridden buildings is overkill.

You just added 2 +2 and got 6.

 

[beachnut]

... take down asbestos ridden buildings is overkill.

More lies from who. Is this your original work?