General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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I'm sure they'll find some people that "remember" him, maybe throwing babies in a burning pit at the arrivals section.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22427976
Mr Lipschis is the first person arrested as a result of a series of new investigations launched by the German authorities into some 50 former Auschwitz guards who are still alive.
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So newyorkguy do you think it is right that after almost 70 years of being openly known to have been former Auschwitz guards and never charged with any crime that the Simon Wiesenthal Center can demand that 50 almost 90 or older men be arrested?
 
Simon666 said:
I wonder what they'll charge the guy with in charge of cleaning the swimming pool reservoir for the fire brigade should they ever find such a guy still living. My guess is "directly responsible for the killing of 1 million people".
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I don't think we know the extent of the evidence.
Mr Lipschis' wartime identification papers prove he belonged to an SS company deployed as guards in Auschwitz. He was reportedly granted "ethnic German" status by the Nazis.
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Did everyone working at the camps have papers that IDed them as belonging to an "SS company"?

It's a tough call. I can see people not having much choice but to follow orders. I can see people getting psychologically swept along and participating in the killing. Does that make them responsible?

I can see some Germans having low level jobs like cooking. But just about any guard caught after the war is going to say something like they were only the cook.
 
Simon666 said:
but witnesses were reluctant to talk and physical evidence was lacking.​
So, any witnesses becoming less reluctant or any new physical evidence in this case? I have no doubt though they'll find new "witnesses".
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We'll find out at the trial you don't want to happen.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I can see some Germans having low level jobs like cooking. But just about any guard caught after the war is going to say something like they were only the cook.
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Isn't that their good right and isn't it also the good right of the justice system to present witnesses and physical evidence that such claims are wrong in a fair trial?
 
ANTPogo said:
We'll find out at the trial you don't want to happen.
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I don't want it to happen? I didn't say that. If they have new evidence or witnesses, they can have their trial. If not and this is presumably the case, rather not, I'm skeptical. Unlike some people hanging around a skeptics forum.
 
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Simon666 said:
I don't want it to happen? I didn't say that.
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You didn't have to.

If they have new evidence or witnesses, they can have their trial. If not and this is presumably the case, rather not, I'm skeptical. Unlike some people hanging around a skeptics forum.
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He's been arrested and an indictment is being prepared. A trial will be held, and based on the evidence presented, new or old, he will either be convicted or released.

His age and the Simon Wiesenthal Center have nothing to do with any of the above.
 
ANTPogo said:
He's been arrested and an indictment is being prepared. A trial will be held, and based on the evidence presented, new or old, he will either be convicted or released.
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Do you believe that yourself? "Witnesses" will be produced and he will be convicted. Release is not an option.
 
A file that the Simon Wiesenthal Center had prepared on Csatáry implicated him in the deportation of 300 people from Kassa in 1941. In August 2012 the Budapest Prosecutor’s Office dropped these charges, saying Csatáry was not in Kassa at the time and lacked the rank to organize the transports. In January 2013 it was reported that Slovak police had found a witness to corroborate other charges relating to deportations of 15,700 Jews from Kassa from May 1944.[15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/László_Csizsik-Csatáry​

I wonder whether that witness testified digging a ditch in frozen ground with their bare hands.
 
MNBrant said:
Make him work as a cook in a homeless shelter! Oh yeah he is 93. let me find a pic. Maybe he is spry to or something. I did not find a picture of him but I did find an article about a famous Jewish boy who supposedly was a mascot of the Nazis saying he was fake because there was no way he could have survived. My god that makes me sick to read that. Here's the link.

http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/102531/reich’s-youngest-nazi’-investigated-over-holocaust-lies’
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Mr Kurzem’s son Mark, now dead, published a book entitled “The Mascot” in 2007 about his father’s alleged experiences. Then six years old, Mr Kurzam was described in a Nazi propaganda film as the “Reich’s youngest Nazi”.

Californian scholars Dr Barry Resnick and Dr Colleen Fitzpatrick last year presented the Claims Conference with a dossier of evidence pointing to inconsistencies in Mr Kurzem’s testimony.
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So it takes Holocaust scholars 5 years to decide Kuraem's testimony was inconsistent?

Dr Zuroff flagged up Mr Kurzem’s claim to have survived alone for months in the Latvian woods as cause for suspicion, asking: “How can a five year old kid survive the worst winter in Eastern Europe in decades?"
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Can you imagine Doctors Resnick and Fitzpatrick doing quality control on an assembly line.


I would have named that liar in one read(note). Guaranteed.

I may have read it two three times thinking my eyes were deceiving me.
 
A witness to the August 1941 Ukraine deportations had nine family members who were deported, he told CNN. Csizsik-Csatary made sure four of them were brought back from forced labor with the Hungarian army so they would be deported and killed, according to Zuroff.
During the Auschwitz deportations, Csizsik-Csatary "forced these girls to dig a ditch with their hands -- young Jewish girls." Two of the center's witnesses were survivors of that deportation, he said.
According to The Sun, which cited documents released by the Wiesenthal Center, Csizsik-Csatary beat Jewish women with a whip he carried on his belt.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/16/world/europe/hungary-suspected-nazi/index.html#comment-589701672​


Kind of weird to have witnesses to a deportation in 1941 seeing a guy that was not even there in Kassa at the time. But no worry, they found another "witness" for another deportation.
 
Clayton Moore said:
So newyorkguy do you think it is right that after almost 70 years of being openly known to have been former Auschwitz guards and never charged with any crime that the Simon Wiesenthal Center can demand that 50 almost 90 or older men be arrested?
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Yes.

First because I know that it's not just the Wiesenthal Center that wants them charged.

Second, I understand the logic in comments I've heard such as, "It was impossible for these men to have refused," "They were very young, many of them were poorly educated boys and they didn't understand the enormity of what they were doing," or "Now they're just old men, leave them in peace."

I understand those feelings, the logic in it. I just don't happen to agree with it.

I agree instead, that the crimes they were involved with are so monstrous, that they can never be let off the hook. I feel convinced having listened to the stories of people who were in those camps, seen the photos, and especially, heard the first-person accounts of the first American troops who went into some of those camps. It's so beyond comprehension that a government was doing this. There's no statute of limitations on this. Nor should there be.

This 93-year-old man, yes I feel some empathy for his plight. Life dealt him a bad hand. But not nearly as bad a hand as the people who died in those camps were dealt.
 
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