Waiting for evidence that being a FOX reporter had any influence on the investigation.

What would you accept as evidence? Are you expecting this to be written down somewhere? I'll give Holder at least that much credit that I wouldn't expect him to actually document his stupidity. Maybe I'm being to optimistic though.
 
What would you accept as evidence? Are you expecting this to be written down somewhere? I'll give Holder at least that much credit that I wouldn't expect him to actually document his stupidity. Maybe I'm being to optimistic though.

No evidence. Of course; it's a conspiracy!
 
What would you accept as evidence? Are you expecting this to be written down somewhere? I'll give Holder at least that much credit that I wouldn't expect him to actually document his stupidity. Maybe I'm being to optimistic though.

Instead of worrying about what I would accept why don't you just present what you have got? So far there has been zero evidence for the idea that being a FOX reporter influenced the investigation. When there is no evidence for something it tends to lose credibility.
 
It was bad enough that this administration sought secret subpoenas for AP reporters' phone records, under completely false pretenses. Now it is actually trying to make reporting a crime when the reporter is from a network you don't like and his reporting can make you look bad.

This is, as Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank (typically an Obama sycophant), "an administration that has launched more leak prosecutions than all previous administrations combined."

A leaker, in Washington parlance, passes information to reporters to advance an agenda. A whistleblower, does the same thing, only the names are changed depending on whose ox gets gored. The Obama administration deliberately leaked the bin Laden raid to reporters, which advanced the Obama agenda even though it revealed the participation of the SEALs team. It greatly enhanced Obama's prestige, and earned him glowing media coverage. But Bradley Manning, the Marine Pfc. behind Wikileaks, goes on trial next month, one of an unprecedented number of whistleblowers being prosecuted by this administration under the Espionage Act, which dates to World War I.

In the James Rosen case, the whistleblower told him that North Korea might test another nuclear missile in response to possible UN Security condemnations of such tests. The FBI got warrants for Rosen's email accounts on the grounds that "there is probable cause to believe that the Reporter has committed or is committing a violation" of the Espionage Act of 1917 "as an aider and abettor and/or co-conspirator." Not only has Rosen not been charged with receiving classified information from the whistleblower, a State Department contractor named Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, it would be practically impossible for him to know if were classified. And even if he could know, it is not a crime in the US to publish classified information.

All this, combined with CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson's announcement that her personal and work computers had been "compromised" for an extended period, presumably in retaliation for her reporting on Benghazi and "Fast and Furious", gives us an increasingly clear picture of an administration with utter contempt for press freedom, and it sends a clear message to other journalists: be a lapdog, not a bulldog, or we will put you down.

What a stupid ploy. The press, with few exceptions, have been lapdogs, until now. Only by taking away their bones, muzzling them, or beating them, have they forgotten their obedience training and begun to bark. Whether they will actually bite, as they did 40 years ago, remains to be seen, but I doubt that these are the only instances of press intimidation, harrassment and bullying to occur.
 
Yeah yeah. Whatever ways you need to split those hairs to keep that cognitive dissonance in check.
Do tell your conspiracy theory of how a federal grand jury was really an arm of the Bush administration.
 
Am I the only one that read the whole article? What's the problem?

The FBI did not want to alert an espionage suspect(s) that they were investigating them as it could blow the whole case wide open. One of those suspects was a reporter, as espionage is not covered by the constitution his status as a reporter is secondary to his involvement in suspected espionage. The FBI presented their case to a judge who issued a legal order to covertly access the email account of a citizen being investigated for espionage. The information gathered has resulted in the prosecution of one party in those emails for the very crime that was suspected, espionage.

Espionage is spying and is a crime the DOJ takes rather seriously. That the reporter was with FOX news has not been shown to be of any influence on the investigation. There is no reason to think a MSNBC reporter or CNN reporter would be treated any different.

So no crime committed by the DOJ, no evidence of any bias, fully legal investigation with necessary orders issued by a judge, and the suspected criminal is being prosecuted for the suspected crime. What's the big deal?
So now the act of news gathering is "espionage"?
 
It's amazing. The Bush DOJ subpoenaed several reporters communications,
Support this claim, and if your cite turns out to be "federal grand jury subpoenas" instead of "the DoJ got search warrants" you get the rolleyes smilie.

Unless, of course, you can flesh out the conspiracy between the Bush admin. and the grand jury.
 
It was bad enough that this administration sought secret subpoenas for AP reporters' phone records, under completely false pretenses. Now it is actually trying to make reporting a crime when the reporter is from a network you don't like and his reporting can make you look bad.

This is, as Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank (typically an Obama sycophant), "an administration that has launched more leak prosecutions than all previous administrations combined."

A leaker, in Washington parlance, passes information to reporters to advance an agenda. A whistleblower, does the same thing, only the names are changed depending on whose ox gets gored. The Obama administration deliberately leaked the bin Laden raid to reporters, which advanced the Obama agenda even though it revealed the participation of the SEALs team. It greatly enhanced Obama's prestige, and earned him glowing media coverage. But Bradley Manning, the Marine Pfc. behind Wikileaks, goes on trial next month, one of an unprecedented number of whistleblowers being prosecuted by this administration under the Espionage Act, which dates to World War I.
As soon as I hear Manning described as a "whistleblower" all credibility goes out the window. A whistleblower reveals criminal or unethical conduct, Manning just released a boatload of stuff he never even read and none of which has revealed any illegal or unethical behavior.
 
So now the act of news gathering is "espionage"?

While I'm skeptical of the government's case here, do you know what activity was used to justify the warrant? Are you sure it was news gathering?


I still await evidence either way.
 
Just like the IRS "scandal" this is only bad because it happened under a Democratic President.
 
So now the act of news gathering is "espionage"?

Are straw men and arguments by assertion the only evidence of wrong doing by the DOJ we are going to get in this thread?

Reporters don't have carte Blanche to do whatever they like just because they are reporters. The DOJ was able to get a judge to sign of on the search of 2 days worth of emails specific to one other individual. The reporter had gone beyond gathering news and was suspected of participating in espionage.
 
Now it is actually trying to make reporting a crime when the reporter is from a network you don't like and his reporting can make you look bad.

How many different people are going to make this baseless assertion without providing any evidence?
 
So, what's the deal? Did the Fox News guy break a law or not?

Or did this "oh my god such an atrocity" all turn out to be nothing at all?

Bear in mind what Fox News in the UK has been caught doing? Is it the intent of this thread that nothing, NOTHING a "news" organization does should ever, under any circumstances, be examined legally?
 
"Most transparent administration in history." Either that was straight-up ******** or all previous admins were hiding some serious ****.

Unless someone at Fox paid or pressured (blackmail or the like) someone to give up this information, this is nothing more than FBI harassment of the press. Is Mueller taking lessons from J. Edgar Hoover?

No, it is the FBI trying to follow the trail from the reporter to the leaker. As to your second sentence, I can't think of any administration since Kennedy that hasn't had a full plate of ****, the only real differences between them and this one is that their **** seemed to be more like real ****, and not just meatloaf that a bunch of fringe wing-nuts seem determined to treat like ****. What's so bad, I really don't like this current administration at all, primarily because they seem hell-bent on continuing and pursuing many, if not most, of the wrong-headed policies of the previous administration.

I understand why the Republicans are having problems, they really want to paint this administration as being terrible but all they keep coming up with are these trumped up, largely non-issue kerfluffles. The main reason for this, from my perspective, is that the real problems with the Obama administration which would actually resonate with most of America, and actually harm the administration seriously, are over administration policies and practices that the opposition to the Obama administration generally support and campaign on.

It makes it hard for them because the areas they want to attack are over issues that either don't directly impact Obama, or issues that most Americans really don't care about one way or the other. Whereas the areas where they could really hurt the administration, revolve around issues that current conservative politics in general are vulnerable to as well. Attack the president effectively and hurt their own political agenda, or keep up the go-nowhere, petty attacks that seem to only be rallying support for the president while it is dropping the Republican brand's value to the lowest levels seen in nearly half a century (or more).
 
No, it is the FBI trying to follow the trail from the reporter to the leaker. As to your second sentence, I can't think of any administration since Kennedy that hasn't had a full plate of ****, the only real differences between them and this one is that their **** seemed to be more like real ****, and not just meatloaf that a bunch of fringe wing-nuts seem determined to treat like ****. What's so bad, I really don't like this current administration at all, primarily because they seem hell-bent on continuing and pursuing many, if not most, of the wrong-headed policies of the previous administration.

I understand why the Republicans are having problems, they really want to paint this administration as being terrible but all they keep coming up with are these trumped up, largely non-issue kerfluffles. The main reason for this, from my perspective, is that the real problems with the Obama administration which would actually resonate with most of America, and actually harm the administration seriously, are over administration policies and practices that the opposition to the Obama administration generally support and campaign on.

It makes it hard for them because the areas they want to attack are over issues that either don't directly impact Obama, or issues that most Americans really don't care about one way or the other. Whereas the areas where they could really hurt the administration, revolve around issues that current conservative politics in general are vulnerable to as well. Attack the president effectively and hurt their own political agenda, or keep up the go-nowhere, petty attacks that seem to only be rallying support for the president while it is dropping the Republican brand's value to the lowest levels seen in nearly half a century (or more).

I'm a Republican? I must've missed one hell of a memo.
 

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