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Should we help Oklahoma rebuild?

The Fallen Serpent said:
I would agree it is reasonable to discuss such, as in is it better to rebuild or relocate. With National Flood Insurance there are certain levels of risk designation that any payout is for relocation with the flooded property becoming Federal land. Such questions become increasingly complex the larger an area we are trying to make such a determination over. I doubt we will ever see an entire metropolitan complex ruled as not worth rebuilding. A slower more imperceptible shift in boundaries over the course of multiple incidents seems more plausible.

If I am recalling correctly, there has been a major shift in various areas hit by Hurricane Sandy under such a determination.
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Of course.

I was mainly rejecting Quinn's assertion that having such discussions, or implementing such shifts, constitutes sinking to a low level of discourse.
 
rustypouch said:
Well, the people they'd chosen to represent them spoke out against helping out when their fellow Americans were in need of aid. That has to be an indication of their values.
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And the ones who didn't vote for the idiots? Do you go door-to-door and have people prove who they voted for before you decide whether to give them bottled water and blankets?

(I don't take this discussion/thread in the least bit seriously. It's just a chance to display partisan nonsense. People are in need of help. They could be the bastard lovechild of David Duke and Fidel Castro, and the relief still needs to get there.)
 
Foolmewunz said:
And the ones who didn't vote for the idiots? Do you go door-to-door and have people prove who they voted for before you decide whether to give them bottled water and blankets?

(I don't take this discussion/thread in the least bit seriously. It's just a chance to display partisan nonsense. People are in need of help. They could be the bastard lovechild of David Duke and Fidel Castro, and the relief still needs to get there.)
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Oh, I agree with you. These people need, and deserve help.

It's the hypocrisy that bothers me. Voting against helping people who live in a different part of the country, and then demanding aid when there's disaster at home...
 
Gawdzilla said:
The tornado was punishment for people rebuilding after Sandy because New Orleans was already done.
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And we all know that Oklahoma City is the Sodom of the 21st Century! Nothing there but depravity and iniquity!

Actually, God was aiming for Michael Moore, and got the wrong Moore. It happens.
 
rustypouch said:
Oh, I agree with you. These people need, and deserve help.

It's the hypocrisy that bothers me. Voting against helping people who live in a different part of the country, and then demanding aid when there's disaster at home...
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It's the flip side of NIMBY (not in my back yard) sentiment. This time, though, it's BIMBY (but it's my back yard).
 
Foolmewunz said:
It's the flip side of NIMBY (not in my back yard) sentiment. This time, though, it's BIMBY (but it's my back yard).
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This is a common human reaction.

"My circumstance is an unfortunate result out of my control and I deserve assistance, their circumstance was a willful and knowing result of their foolishness and they deserve to learn from the consequences."
 
The Fallen Serpent said:
This is a common human reaction.

"My circumstance is an unfortunate result out of my control and I deserve assistance, their circumstance was a willful and knowing result of their foolishness and they deserve to learn from the consequences."
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Isn't that what's called the fundamental attribution error--or at least something very much like it?
 
I suspect that refusing emergency aid to victims of Sandy (or Joplin or wherever else) is not the majority position of the people of Oklahoma.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I suspect that refusing emergency aid to victims of Sandy (or Joplin or wherever else) is not the majority position of the people of Oklahoma.
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7 our of 9 Senators and Congressmen voted against Sandy-aide. Someone voted to put those guys in office.
 
I just have one question. Why don't the good citizens of the Midwest start building cylindrical dome-shaped buildings that are resistant to tornados? It only seems logical.
 
I wouldn't have voted the original Sandy aid bill down too, with the pork budget items that were included. Now notice that it did pass, once those pork budget items were removed? And passed with a large majority. Granted, it should have been unanimous, but that's neither here nor there.

WRT: punishing the whole based on something that they had no control over, is absurd. Absolutely absurd.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Actually, God was aiming for Michael Moore, and got the wrong Moore. It happens.
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Now that's funny, I don't care who you are. :D
L.Y.S. said:
I just have one question. Why don't the good citizens of the Midwest start building cylindrical dome-shaped buildings that are resistant to tornados? It only seems logical.
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Who died and made you queen?
BTW, if you pay attention to the tornado in question, NOTHING is resistant to tornadoes with that much whoopass. For a smaller one, maybe.

Go check out the ariel photography again.

Where do you live, I wonder. I get the feeling that you know the square root of **** all about tornadoes.
 
Travis said:
The case against help

Oklahoma told the victims of Hurricane Sandy "**** you, take care of that yourselves!"

So conceivably it would be a reap-what-you-sow situation.
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Funny--because every church, every Wal-mart, every synagogue, every 7-11, etc collected more money and stuff in Oklahoma for those people affected by Sandy than you could count.
So maybe the above was inaccurate. Or possibly a deliberate lie designed to inflame emotions.
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The case for help

Even petulant children who always refuse to help others will need some help themselves. Maybe they learn from it and grow up.

Besides, society works because we can forgive and forget.
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Anyone who believes the sentiments expressed in the OP is an idiot, or a fool at best, and can <deleted>
 
rwguinn said:
Funny--because every church, every Wal-mart, every synagogue, every 7-11, etc collected more money and stuff in Oklahoma for those people affected by Sandy than you could count.
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I bet it actually could be counted. Do you have evidence that it is anywhere near the amount needed? I think I was hearing $2B?
 
maxpower1227 said:
I bet it actually could be counted. Do you have evidence that it is anywhere near the amount needed? I think I was hearing $2B?
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I said more than TRAVIS could count, unless he is very fast.
So Oklahoma citizens, as private citizens, needed to be the sole source of restitution for Sandy victims in order for you to consider them eligible for aid from other individuals?
Hubris, thy name is "Liberal 'Skeptic'"
 
rwguinn said:
So Oklahoma citizens, as private citizens, needed to be the sole source of restitution for Sandy victims in order for you to consider them eligible for aid from other individuals?
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Where exactly did you get that idea from? I support the use of federal funds to provide natural disaster relief, in all cases. The citizens of OK are under no obligation, despite the reprehensible views of their elected leaders on this subject.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
And we all know that Oklahoma City is the Sodom of the 21st Century! Nothing there but depravity and iniquity!

Actually, God was aiming for Michael Moore, and got the wrong Moore. It happens.
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I thought it wss the governmment aiming for Alex Jones but missing badly
 
rwguinn said:
So maybe the above was inaccurate. Or possibly a deliberate lie designed to inflame emotions.
From Travis? Naw...
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I thought Travis' OP was tongue in cheek. I don't think Travis was sincerely proposing we withhold aid to disaster victims in OK. (I hope not anyway!)

He was also using equating a couple of Senators with the entire state. Again, I think it was just a rhetorical device, and I don't think Travis thinks that the entire population of OK opposed federal aid to states affected by Sandy.

If so, the OP makes a laughably flawed argument. Two wrongs don't make a right. The two Senators from OK aren't the equivalent of the entire state. And so on.
 
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