HPV Vaccine Poll

[jdc324]

Still waiting Clayton

Blimey. You've been waiting a fair while now.

 

[ehcks]

Well, I'm glad this was brought back up. I am the 100th vote for option one.

 

[cjnewson88]

I still hate this thread

 

[jaydeehess]

Blimey. You've been waiting a fair while now.

What are the odds of a reply by the one year anniversary?

ETA: The query to CM was for a link to the article by, or paper produced/commissioned by, the FDA which specifically links 26 deaths in one year to the Gardisal vaccine. It refers to a claim made in a post by Clayton Moore.

 

[jaydeehess]

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/01/24/hpv-vaccine-victim-sues-merck.aspx


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UHy-EkK2xo&feature=player_embedded#!

Good luck with Gardasil.

Here is the post in which CM posts the article in which the claim(and others) are made.
Although CM can find articles claiming that the FDA had these findings, he cannot seem to post anything from the FDA in which they actually did find what is claimed.

In point of fact it seems to refer to the fact that in one year , out of the total number of vaccinated girls , 26 died by any cause at all.
Some died in car accidents and although the common age of the vaccinated is 12-13 years old, Clayton alludes to an unexplained cognitive side effect of the vaccine having caused these vehicular deaths.

It is, imo, a quite telling example of the stupidity and utter sophistry that Clayton and other anti-vaxxers are willing to utilise.

 

[jdc324]

What are the odds of a reply by the one year anniversary?

ETA: The query to CM was for a link to the article by, or paper produced/commissioned by, the FDA which specifically links 26 deaths in one year to the Gardisal vaccine. It refers to a claim made in a post by Clayton Moore.

I asked the Magic 8 Ball if Clayton would answer.

Very doubtful

I didn't like that answer, so I tried again.

Don't count on it

 

[sackett]

I still hate this thread

I know how you feel. All I can counsel is this, a rule of life I try to follow:

Hate is like ammunition. Save it for a worthwhile target.

 

[crhkrebs]

Hate is like ammunition. Save it for a worthwhile target.

I agree, but...........when an obvious "know-nothing" disseminates misleading, unsupported and potentially dangerous "facts" to the public, then that seems to me to be a worthwhile target.

 

[sackett]

I agree, but...........when an obvious "know-nothing" disseminates misleading, unsupported and potentially dangerous "facts" to the public, then that seems to me to be a worthwhile target.

I agree. However (you knew I'd have a however), the analogy with ammo isn't apt enough to be extended too far. Hatred is not a wasting asset like cartridges and grenades. I think it actually augments as you use it -- that is, it grows and becomes fiercer. That's not a good thing to release into the world, especially our modern world of light-speed dissemination of words.

One of Clayton's posts in another thread has been accurately described as "unhinged." I'm glad; now we have an adjective that sums him up. (One word is surely enough to expend on the likes of him.) Sane people don't hate the unhinged: that would be no better than cruelty, and futile cruelty at that.

Madness deserves our pity, if not our forbearance. Here on the web we restrain a madman humanely, by answering his ravings with facts and clear reasoning. His bite can't infect anyone if we immunize them first; Clayt will loathe that analogy if he ever reads it,

and I'll be very glad. There, that's me being just a little bit hateful.

 

[applecorped]

I agree, but...........when an obvious "know-nothing" disseminates misleading, unsupported and potentially dangerous "facts" to the public, then that seems to me to be a worthwhile target.

Obama?

 

[samanthakayee]

My two boys got the shot and had no side effects at all.

 

[rcfieldz]

H p v

I wonder about the carrier and the effects on their lives (male or female). Or the effects on the fetus pre or post vacination? Will it stop all or just a few types of the HPV? Could the virus mutate into a newer version in the future? I guess I need to do more research. I think for now it can't hurt the newest population to be immunized...why take a chance.

 

[CORed]

When they find a vaccination for HIV/AIDS, there will be people out there who will resist it for the same reasons.

Hell, the anti-vax nuts, Clayton among them, argue against polio vaccine. That's just about as stupid as arguing against an HIV vaccine. I was born before polio vaccine, and my parents' generation lived with the risk of getting the disease. I'm afraid we're going to have to have another epidemic and paralyze a few thousand more people (with some being on respirators for the rest of their lives) to convince the nutcases that getting the disease is a hell of a lot worse than the real (very small) and imaginary risks of getting vaccinated.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Hell, the anti-vax nuts, Clayton among them, argue against polio vaccine. That's just about as stupid as arguing against an HIV vaccine. I was born before polio vaccine, and my parents' generation lived with the risk of getting the disease. I'm afraid we're going to have to have another epidemic and paralyze a few thousand more people (with some being on respirators for the rest of their lives) to convince the nutcases that getting the disease is a hell of a lot worse than the real (very small) and imaginary risks of getting vaccinated.

Way to make things up.

 

[dafydd]

Way to make things up.

Are you claiming that the polio vaccine did not work? It did, that's what we call reality.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Are you claiming that the polio vaccine did not work? It did, that's what we call reality.

I never said it didn't.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8872291&postcount=3366

 

[jaydeehess]

Still waiting for that FDA paper Clayton, the one that supposedly links 26 deaths in one year to the HPV vaccine. Will that be forthcoming?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Still waiting for that FDA paper Clayton, the one that supposedly links 26 deaths in one year to the HPV vaccine. Will that be forthcoming?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardasil

 

[tyr_13]

An update on adverse events was published by the Journal of the American Medical Association and looked at data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), covering 12,424 reported adverse events after about 23 million doses of vaccine between June 2006 and December 2008.[39][40] Most adverse effects were minor and not greater than background rates compared with other vaccines, the exception being higher rates for syncope and venous thromboembolic events.[40] Venous thromboembolic events were noted in 56 reports at a rate of 0.2 cases per 100,000 doses distributed and included 19 cases of pulmonary embolism, four of which were fatal.[40] Overall, 772 events (6.2% of the total number of adverse events, but only 0.003% of the total number of doses) were described as serious and included 32 reported deaths (1 per 1,000,000 doses).[40]

I think this is the part that he's misrepresenting.

 

[JimOfAllTrades]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardasil

From the link supplied by Clayton:

Overall, 772 events (6.2% of the total number of adverse events, but only 0.003% of the total number of doses) were described as serious and included 32 reported deaths (1 per 1,000,000 doses).[40]

The FDA and the CDC said that with millions of vaccinations "by chance alone some serious adverse effects and deaths" will occur in the time period following vaccination, but have nothing to do with the vaccine.[41] More than 20 women who received the Gardasil vaccine have died, but these deaths have not been causally connected to the shot.[41] Where information has been available, the cause of death was explained by other factors

His link doesn't seem to say what he says it says.