General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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Nick Terry said:
Quite a few have speculated about a connection between the Nazi and Soviet actions - even though a direct connection is unlikely, the coincidence in timing is striking enough, as are the patterns of NKVD-Gestapo cooperation at this time.
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Interesting, other than the timing what other evidence is there "of NKVD-Gestapo cooperation"? In an interesting parallel in the 1970s and 80s the intel. services of the South American dictatorships cooperated in Operation Condor to the extent they at times killed each others' dissidents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
 
Clayton Moore said:
What is truly nonsense is that mumbo jumbo.

Always pretending the nonsense is evidence of Germans intending to exterminate the Jewish people.

There were no gas chambers which makes the Holocaust a lie.

Let's hear evidence that there were gas chambers the killed millions of Jewish people.

Let's hear evidence of how gas chambers killed millions of Jewish people.

Let's hear the gas chamber facts.

Try it. Your evidence will be rent asunder.
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The best revisionist attack on the credibility of gas chamber claims is The Rudolf Report -
http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=2
The author, Germar Rudolf, has been imprisoned in democratic Germany for his revisionist activism -
http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?author_id=1
 
Lenbrazil said:
Interesting, other than the timing what other evidence is there "of NKVD-Gestapo cooperation"? In an interesting parallel in the 1970s and 80s the intel. services of the South American dictatorships cooperated in Operation Condor to the extent they at times killed each others' dissidents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
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NKVD and Gestapo exchanged a certain number of political prisoners during the era of Nazi-Soviet alliance, one of the most famous being Margarete Buber-Neumann, handed over to the Nazis by the Soviets having spent time in the Gulag after being arrested in 1937 while in exile as a KPD member.
 
Maybe this has already been mentioned somewhere else, and I apologize if I have overlooked, but I thought this was worth mentioning, for those who don't know already:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/03/david-stein-cole-holocaust-revisionist

It has recently been revealed that a "Hollywood Conservative" named David Stein is actually David Cole, "the notorious Holocaust revisionist". He had supposedly recanted his views during the 90s, but he has now admitted that the recanting was fake; he had felt threatened by the JDL. While using the name David Stein, he apparently made several documentaries, one which even featured Whoopi Goldberg (Nuremberg). He had also been praised by Bill Clinton and Kofi Annan. Although he produced mainstream documentaries, he still held revisionist views. He says, "I gave mainstream audiences what they wanted."
 
This should be interesting

Already seen a fair few "He was just a cook"-comments elsewhere, which brings Kurt Franz to my mind. Others have moved on to "If he didn't do it, they'd execute him and his family!", which then brings Erich Lachmann to mind.

Seeing as he was at Auschwitz from 1941 onwards, would he have been an SS-Totenkopfverbände volunteer?
 
Andra and Tatiana were initially spared when they were not selected for the gas chamber upon arrival at Auschwtiz-Birkenau because Dr. Mengele thought that these two children, aged 6 and 4, were twins. Dr. Mengele is famous for not being able to tell a child’s age; hundreds of Jews survived the Holocaust because they lied about their age and said that they were older than 15, the age at which children were selected for the gas chamber. Obviously, Dr. Mengele was able to judge that Andra and Tatiana were younger than 15, but he thought that they were twins.
Keep in mind that there is a document in the files of Auschwitz which lists them as twins. Strangely, Andra and Tatiana were not used by Dr. Mengele in his experiments on twins, or if they were, they didn’t mention it for some reason.
With Dr. Mengele in charge of selections at Auschwitz-Birkeanau, it is a miracle that the Nazis managed to kill anyone.
http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2...til-dead-from-hooks-in-the-basement/#comments​
Some more twins who don't recall being experimented upon. Although I do see why Dr. Mengele took an interest, twins born two years apart are a bit of a medical curiosity.
 
If the Holocaust didn't happen, and close to 6 million Jews weren't killed by the Nazis, where are these missing millions of Jews?

There were around 18 million Jews in the world in the 1930s. Today there are maybe 15 million, and that's 67 years after the WW2 ended.

The Jews pre-WW2 had an average growth rate of around 3%.

So, where are all the missing Jews?
 
Simon666 said:
Andra and Tatiana were initially spared when they were not selected for the gas chamber upon arrival at Auschwtiz-Birkenau because Dr. Mengele thought that these two children, aged 6 and 4, were twins. Dr. Mengele is famous for not being able to tell a child’s age; hundreds of Jews survived the Holocaust because they lied about their age and said that they were older than 15, the age at which children were selected for the gas chamber. Obviously, Dr. Mengele was able to judge that Andra and Tatiana were younger than 15, but he thought that they were twins.
Keep in mind that there is a document in the files of Auschwitz which lists them as twins. Strangely, Andra and Tatiana were not used by Dr. Mengele in his experiments on twins, or if they were, they didn’t mention it for some reason.
With Dr. Mengele in charge of selections at Auschwitz-Birkeanau, it is a miracle that the Nazis managed to kill anyone.
http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2...til-dead-from-hooks-in-the-basement/#comments​
Some more twins who don't recall being experimented upon. Although I do see why Dr. Mengele took an interest, twins born two years apart are a bit of a medical curiosity.
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Emphasis added.
 
Courier said:
If the Holocaust didn't happen, and close to 6 million Jews weren't killed by the Nazis, where are these missing millions of Jews?

There were around 18 million Jews in the world in the 1930s. Today there are maybe 15 million, and that's 67 years after the WW2 ended.

The Jews pre-WW2 had an average growth rate of around 3%.

So, where are all the missing Jews?
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The deniers deny this of course they boost the post-war numbers and/or cut the the pre-war ones
 
Courier said:
If the Holocaust didn't happen, and close to 6 million Jews weren't killed by the Nazis, where are these missing millions of Jews?

There were around 18 million Jews in the world in the 1930s. Today there are maybe 15 million, and that's 67 years after the WW2 ended.

The Jews pre-WW2 had an average growth rate of around 3%.

So, where are all the missing Jews?
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One of the claims is that they all went to different countries and lost track of each other, and that a lot of them emigrated to the United States, but because the US did not and does not ask questions about religion in its decennial census, no one noticed. :rolleyes:
 
Holoforgery, a million dollar industry:

Prosecutor Rebecca Rohr told the court that recruiters sent blank application forms, signed by Russian-speaking immigrants and their children, to the Claims Conference, where employees then forged documents and made up false survival stories. After applications were approved, the recruiters demanded thousands of dollars, often paid in cash or money orders, which was then shared with Claims Conference employees.
How $57 Million Holocaust Fraud Unfolded at Claims Conference​
 
Simon that still does not prove any of your contentions about the Holocaust, in fact it undermines your position by pointing to a fraudulent activity which dishonours the memory of the victims of the Nazis.

How you think this some how shores up your arguments is beyond me.
 
Simon666 said:
Holoforgery, a million dollar industry:

Prosecutor Rebecca Rohr told the court that recruiters sent blank application forms, signed by Russian-speaking immigrants and their children, to the Claims Conference, where employees then forged documents and made up false survival stories. After applications were approved, the recruiters demanded thousands of dollars, often paid in cash or money orders, which was then shared with Claims Conference employees.
How $57 Million Holocaust Fraud Unfolded at Claims Conference​
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Nice to see you place trust in "The Jewish Daily".
 
SpitfireIX said:
One of the claims is that they all went to different countries and lost track of each other, and that a lot of them emigrated to the United States, but because the US did not and does not ask questions about religion in its decennial census, no one noticed. :rolleyes:
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The nationality quotas that kept Jews from fleeing the Nazis didn't end till 1965.

So there's no way that millions of Jews made it to the USA.
 
And Simon has now managed to prove no American workman has ever been injured on the job. Because there have been various uncovered false Workman's Comp claims, and even a few episodes of large-scale falsification and fraud.
 
It shows document forgery "factories" (albeit shabby ones, they got caught) as a matter of fact do exist. That's why I find it interesting.
 
No Simon you are try tangentally to use this as an obvious attempt to undermine the idea veracity of the hard evidence for the Holocaust it is very transparent.
 
Holocaust denial and the Nuremberg trials.

I’m arguing with a holocaust denier on another forum and I asked him why none of the defendants on trial after the war denied the final solution took place. I have looked before but never read of anyone using that defense at trial. Did I miss anything? Thanks.

Ranb
 
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