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WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette

I can't speak for Millette, and we'll get an answer to your question if someone makes a serious request. But he has said yes to one such inquiry to a lab that can do a chemical analysis of the chips. I do know that he would not give chips to me because I don't have a lab. He would probably say no to you for the same reason. The rest is all idle speculation.
 
Maybe dunces and not charlatans?

Originally Posted by Redwood

As a retired industrial chemist, I can assure truthers that chemists would be very interested in a result like this.

Could paint resins be undergoing some kind of heretofore unknown exotic reaction, perhaps akin to peroxide formation in ethers? We'd want to know! I guarantee you that others would do follow-up experiments! (I've seen some odd reactions in my own career.)

OK, back to reality: This will never happen, as Jones and Harrit are charlatans. They know damn well what their results will be. The null hypothesis will be supported - it's paint.

Truthers, you've been played. You've been punked. It's your own fault. Even if you're ignorant of chemistry, you swallowed their bunkum and never bothered to solicit the opinions of knowledgeable people in the field of analytical chemistry.
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Miragememories said:
You totally lose when without any justification you address distinguished scientists such as Dr. Jones and Dr. Harrit as "charlatans".

Next.
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OK then, dunces, not charlatans, if they're too thick-headed to do a DSC under an inert atmosphere (which they should have done anyway if they think their samples are nanothermite and not paint).

As I've stated, industrial chemists everywhere would want to know if it's possible that synthetic resins used in paint turn into incendiaries as they age. This would be everyone's first guess, as the red chips appear otherwise to be mere common hematite/kaolin red primer. Producers of linseed oil would love to point out that their product is merely hazardous on first use, and not years afterward. (Paint rags soaked with linseed oil are a major cause of accidental fires, including the famous Meridian Plaza fire.)

Imagine the "We told you so" look on the faces of Harrit, Jones, and Truthers everywhere when paint chemists study the chips and announce that they're really military-grade nanothermite!

So, maybe dunces. But the smart money is still on charlatans.;)
 
MileHighMadness said:
I would strongly encourage everyone on this forum to contact Mr. Kevin Ryan at:

911workinggroup@gmail.com

And request he give Chris Mohr the chip samples he needs to complete the independent test. We are just trying to determine the truth...
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It's a pointless endeavor.

They have already done the test that would positively identify the chips (they said so). They said they would release this data (they said they would). It's two years later and they have not done so and "truthers" don't care.

Show me one "truther" post on one of their sites that push them for this. Maybe some have but, they do a good job of covering it up.

Harrit et al could have examined dog crap, "truthers" wouldn't care. As long as they are told it's some super thermite, that's all they want. Proof? Have a chemist read their paper.
 
chrismohr: Do you know of any labs who are willing to study the WTC dust with something more than a microscopic approach?
 
chrismohr said:
I can't speak for Millette, and we'll get an answer to your question if someone makes a serious request. But he has said yes to one such inquiry to a lab that can do a chemical analysis of the chips. I do know that he would not give chips to me because I don't have a lab. He would probably say no to you for the same reason. The rest is all idle speculation.
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what?? does he not think i could find a lab to do a DSC on a chip? i dont think it matters if i have a lab myself. ask if i can have a sample and ill find a lab to do a DSC on it.
 
Senenmut said:
what?? does he not think i could find a lab to do a DSC on a chip? i dont think it matters if i have a lab myself. ask if i can have a sample and ill find a lab to do a DSC on it.
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I'm not willing to speculate as to what someone else, Millete included, would say to such a request.
 
WTC Dust said:
chrismohr: Do you know of any labs who are willing to study the WTC dust with something more than a microscopic approach?
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WTC Dust: Do you know of any links and citations that support your assertion that epoxy is expected to dissolve, using the methods that Millete used?

You forgot to address this topic:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9216997#post9216997

I assume that, if you dodge this one more time and fail to support your allegations about the behaviour of epoxy in solvents, that you tacitly retract those claims and admit implicitly that you were plain wrong and uninformed.
 
chrismohr said:
I'm not willing to speculate as to what someone else, Millete included, would say to such a request.
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ask then.

is the independent lab going to do a dsc or heat above 430C or do a resistivity test?

if they are not going to, then im sure others would love to do these tests on millettes chips.
 
Senenmut said:
is the independent lab going to do a dsc or heat above 430C or do a resistivity test?
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Why would an independent lab need to do a resistivity test?

According to Harrit's paper, every single one of the red/gray chips attracted to a magnet was some form of thermite and that there was no other type of red/gray chip attracted to a magnet present in their dust samples.

Do you not believe the paper's conclusion?
 
Senenmut said:
if they are not going to, then im sure others would love to do these tests on millettes chips.
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Yet the "others" have no interest in doing any tests on Jones & Co's chips. Yet if Jones donated selected chips to Millette, he would be able to establish if they were thermite without doing DSC tests.

A sure sign of truther desperation which shows BS at its finest.
 
Gamolon said:
Why would an independent lab need to do a resistivity test?
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why do you think?

Gamolon said:
According to Harrit's paper, every single one of the red/gray chips attracted to a magnet was some form of thermite and that there was no other type of red/gray chip attracted to a magnet present in their dust samples.
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and that may be true for his sample. have you ever thought of that?

Gamolon said:
Do you not believe the paper's conclusion?
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the conclusion that the material is thermitic? yeah....

do you think millette's chips can produce iron and silicon rich microsphere's? if you do, how so?

if jones did give a sample to millette, do you think millette would do different tests on the chips than jones and crew did?

if millette gave his chips to serious researchers, do you think they would do different tests than millette did?
 
You all might not be aware of the work of Fredrick Henry-Couannier. He tested the thermite theory using Jones' very same samples given to him by Richard Gage. When he first reported that the thermite reaction did not occur with heating, the response was something like, "Not all of the chips react." When every single chip was tested, and found not to react, Richard Gage stopped communicating with Henry-Couannier. He has a blog. It's in French, but you can do a translate to find out what he says about the chips.
 
WTC Dust said:
You all might not be aware of the work of Fredrick Henry-Couannier. He tested the thermite theory using Jones' very same samples given to him by Richard Gage. When he first reported that the thermite reaction did not occur with heating, the response was something like, "Not all of the chips react." When every single chip was tested, and found not to react, Richard Gage stopped communicating with Henry-Couannier. He has a blog. It's in French, but you can do a translate to find out what he says about the chips.
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i think hernyco also thought maybe the chips were switched in the mail!!:jaw-dropp

but it is interesting the chips had similar xeds and still did not react. that should pop out at millette to where he would think....hummm maybe i should heat my chips up and see if they react to produce the iron and silicon rich microspheres.
 
Senenmut said:
i think hernyco also thought maybe the chips were switched in the mail!!:jaw-dropp

but it is interesting the chips had similar xeds and still did not react. that should pop out at millette to where he would think....hummm maybe i should heat my chips up and see if they react to produce the iron and silicon rich microspheres.
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When I visited HenryCo in Marseille, he indicated to me that he believed in the authenticity of the samples. Not quite sure what you're saying.

He isolated the chips with a magnet. He cooked them to the so-called auto-ignition temperature of so-called nanothermite. No reaction. He further heated the samples to 900 degrees Celsius, with no reaction. He's a physicist.
 
In the houses of shadow, everybody lies.

It would certainly seem the simplest way about it Mr Senenmut. Yet, the production of the spheres would prove a reaction bringing an entire world view - and agenda riding upon it - to sudden complete Free Fall.
The entire edifice of 911 is structured around Dr Millette NOT finding exothermic reaction and molten ejection in the samples. About NOT researching the source energy producing 6% by mass Fe rich spheroids in ppm DUST of WTC.
His 'back burner' is not under the samples for a reason. The suspicion he has not found them because be does not wish to gains credibility with passing of the days, and certainly fits the creatioNIST model of not finding what you are not looking for.
 
WTC Dust said:
When I visited HenryCo in Marseille, he indicated to me that he believed in the authenticity of the samples. Not quite sure what you're saying.

He isolated the chips with a magnet. He cooked them to the so-called auto-ignition temperature of so-called nanothermite. No reaction. He further heated the samples to 900 degrees Celsius, with no reaction. He's a physicist.
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post # 317 and read post 319 too:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4819772&highlight=mail#post4819772

"Thanks but i noticed no new very meaningful info for me...

I have analyzed the false red only chips at the electronic microscope: these contain Aluminum, Iron, oxygen and carbon in quite the same proportions as the true red/gray chips and these are very numerous in my samples while the red/gray one shoud be numerous according the article ! mine never produce molten iron when heated even up to 900°C! they are not two sided and the aspect is very different (not homogeous) from the one of the red part in the articles photos.

So my conviction is that my samples were falsified: the material of interest was removed and a kind of paint that can mimic efficiently the red/gray chips was put in place (many such chips) but the real ones were not removed with 100% efficiency since i was able to find at least a single one a few monthes ago.

I believe the control, manipulation and substitution must take place at the level of our post offices here in France. I noticed very suspect and systematic abnormal delays at my own post office.

So if you have new samples to send to me, you should pass them to someone that will give them to me directly ... (no email please ! )

I dont know if the falsification is from the criminals friends or some of the truthers who dont want me to be associated with this research..."

Fred H-C
 
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