Greece to fire civil servants

[NWO Sentryman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22335500

Now, tell me how this isn't breaking greece's constitution?

 

[Caper]

I read another article that said the 1st 2 to go were...

1) A cop who was stealing debit cards

and

2) A guy who had 150 day unexcused absence


Apparently these weren't fire-able offenses before.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

I read another article that said the 1st 2 to go were...

1) A cop who was stealing debit cards

and

2) A guy who had 150 day unexcused absence


Apparently these weren't fire-able offenses before.

Hey, it's Greece, where Tax Evasion is a national pastime.

 

[bjornart]

Your source says nothing about breaking the constitution. Most constitutions have provisions allowing it to be changed and "civil servants are set for life" seems to me to be a law ripe for changing. If this alteration is unconstitutional within Greek law it's surprising that hasn't been reported as an issue yet.

 

[excaza]

Hopefully it's the useless workers who get the axe.

 

[wollery]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22335500

Now, tell me how this isn't breaking greece's constitution?

Read the link at the bottom of the story;
Greek MPs vote through mass job cuts

They're changing the constitution.

 

[dudalb]

So the Greek Constitution made it almost impossible to fire a Civil Servant for any reason?
No wonder Greece is in the situation it's in.......

 

[WildCat]

So the Greek Constitution made it almost impossible to fire a Civil Servant for any reason?
No wonder Greece is in the situation it's in.......

And every new government would hire its own people, wash, rinse, repeat... 40 years on and you have an extremely bloated government workforce.

Apparently they're getting rid of the bad workers, then not replacing those who retire until it's pared down to somewhat sane levels.

 

[aleCcowaN]

So the Greek Constitution made it almost impossible to fire a Civil Servant for any reason?
No wonder Greece is in the situation it's in.......

My country too. Political majorities used to fired employees hired by their opponents and hire their own partisans. So, any "civil servant" has a right to be paid until he or she dies -you can fired them but you should still pay them-. That's made Homer Simpson the model for a civil servant. The philosophy is this: you have to pay Homer for doing nothing. If he does 10% of what is expected of him, that's all social benefit. Yahoo! ... but, why I don't feel better?

 

[rjh01]

My country too. Political majorities used to fired employees hired by their opponents and hire their own partisans. So, any "civil servant" has a right to be paid until he or she dies -you can fired them but you should still pay them-. That's made Homer Simpson the model for a civil servant. The philosophy is this: you have to pay Homer for doing nothing. If he does 10% of what is expected of him, that's all social benefit. Yahoo! ... but, why I don't feel better?

In Australia the public service is meant to be non political. Yes it is difficult (but not impossible) to sack someone for non performance but politicians do not appoint most of the workers. They are given the jobs based on merit.

 

[timhau]

That's made Homer Simpson the model for a civil servant.

"Today, I am going to check this pile of building permit applic... mmm, baklava."

 

[Darth Rotor]

A new take on Greek Fire.

 

[dudalb]

Apparently the Greek System managed to combined the worst features of a ossified,inefficent permanent bureaucracy with the worst features of a Tammany Hall level Spoils system.
At least in the classic Spoils system you FIRED the people your predecessors put in office and then put in your own. Not that I think that is a good idea (I am strongly in favor of a non partisan Civil Service based on Merit) but at least you did not get the huge bloat you get with the Greek system.

Nice going for the birthplace of Democracy.

 

[theprestige]

Apparently the Greek System managed to combined the worst features of a ossified,inefficent permanent bureaucracy with the worst features of a Tammany Hall level Spoils system. Nice going for the birthplace of Democracy.

I've seen it claimed that Birthplace-of-Democracy Greece vanished from history centuries ago, and that modern Greece is ethnically, culturally, and institutionally a descendant of the Ottoman Empire, not of ancient Greece.

ETA: And that therefore it's inappropriate to judge modern Greeks by the standard of ancient Greece, since modern Greeks don't owe any historical attachment to that now defunct culture.

 

[aleCcowaN]

I've seen it claimed that Birthplace-of-Democracy Greece vanished from history centuries ago, and that modern Greece is ethnically, culturally, and institutionally a descendant of the Ottoman Empire, not of ancient Greece.

ETA: And that therefore it's inappropriate to judge modern Greeks by the standard of ancient Greece, since modern Greeks don't owe any historical attachment to that now defunct culture.

How very 19th-century of you.

 

[dudalb]

I've seen it claimed that Birthplace-of-Democracy Greece vanished from history centuries ago, and that modern Greece is ethnically, culturally, and institutionally a descendant of the Ottoman Empire, not of ancient Greece.

ETA: And that therefore it's inappropriate to judge modern Greeks by the standard of ancient Greece, since modern Greeks don't owe any historical attachment to that now defunct culture.

It was meant to be a humorous remark.

 

[fuelair]

Sooooo, they won't fire the uncivil ones??

 

[aleCcowaN]

It was meant to be a humorous remark.

Then, how very 19th-century of them.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Sooooo, they won't fire the uncivil ones??

They wait for the Mods here to ban those sorts ...

 

[NWO Sentryman]

It appears that the IMF have changed course vis a vis Austerity

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22426465