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Biblical Flood? Fish, squid, and shrimp fossils in the mountains of Lebanon and Peru

Craig B said:
Have you got this the right way round? Do most commentators not now give priority to Mark? As the gospel of Matthew is longer, is it not the one to which "inventions" have been added? These include a miracle birth story, and stories about Jesus' post-resurrection activities, both in Matthew but absent from Mark. Also, as Luke has different versions of these elaborated stories, it is usually argued that the author of Luke was influenced by Mark, but not by Matthew.
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Yes, you're right, I have it the wrong way

MARK -> MATTHEW

MARK + MATTHEW -> LUKE
 
catsmate1 said:
...Nether {Bart}Ehrman, yourself nor any other god botherer can actually provide evidence for the existence of a Historical Jesus...

He's evading. Again.
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Historical evidence is evidence. Which is why we have quotes like these:

From Wikiquote
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"I think the evidence is just so overwhelming that Jesus existed, that it's silly to talk about him not existing. I don't know anyone who is a responsible historian, who is actually trained in the historical method, or anybody who is a biblical scholar who does this for a living, who gives any credence at all to any of this."

Bart Ehrman, interview with David V. Barrett, "The Gospel According to Bart", Fortean Times (221), 2007

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I think that there are hardly any historians today, in fact I don't know of any historians today, who doubt the existence of Jesus... So I think that question can be put to rest.

N. T. Wright, "The Self-Revelation of God in Human History: A Dialogue on Jesus with N. T. Wright", in Antony Flew & Roy Abraham Vargese, There is a God, New York: HarperOne, 2007, p. 188

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"It is no surprise then that there is no New Testament scholar drawing pay from a post who doubts the existence of Jesus. I know not one. His birth, life, and death in first-century Palestine have never been subject to serious question and, in all likelihood, never will be among those who are experts in the field. The existence of Jesus is a given."

Nicholas Perrin, Lost in Transmission?: What We Can Know About the Words of Jesus, Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 2007, p. 32


http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

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Doc, what do you think about the flood? Have you given up on that discussion? Is it all too hard and embarrassing to admit what you believe and defend it?
 
DOC, your NT stuff is off topic for this thread, which is about the flood described in Genesis. Perhaps you could get back on topic and address the posts which have been made prior to your NT derails.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Doc, what do you think about the flood? Have you given up on that discussion? Is it all too hard and embarrassing to admit what you believe and defend it?
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I believe there was a flood. It seems it could have been local and it could have been global, I don't know which. Jesus said there was a flood, that's is good enough for me.
 
DOC said:
I believe there was a flood. It seems it could have been local and it could have been global, I don't know which. Jesus said there was a flood, that's is good enough for me.
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It has been shown in this thread that it could not have been global.
 
DOC said:
I believe there was a flood. It seems it could have been local and it could have been global, I don't know which. Jesus said there was a flood, that's is good enough for me.
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But you don't know Jesus said that.
You only have the word of the bible, and as you shown, it contains a lot of fictitious elements (called theological constructs by your source)
The geological evidence is that there was most certainly wasn't a world wide flood. And to go further, it is absolute fantasy to think all the worlds animals derive from an arc.
 
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DOC said:
Historical evidence is evidence. Which is why we have quotes like these:
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And yet, you continually conveniently gloss over the fact that the HJ that Ehrman says "certainly existed" was a fully-human, non-divine, itinerant apocalyptic preacher who did not fulfill (nor could he have fulfilled) any of the "messianic prophecies" redacted into any of the contradictory "accounts" of his life. Erhman's non-divine fully human HJ is evidence that the NT account of the "wonder-counsleor, god-hero, eternal king" did not happen in the same way that the existence of the supercontinent Pangea more than 200 MYA is evidence that a global flood covering a uniformly flat world 6000 YA did not happen.
 
DOC said:
I believe there was a flood. It seems it could have been local and it could have been global, I don't know which. Jesus said there was a flood, that's is good enough for me.
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So, how did this local flood deposit fossils on mountain tops?
 
DOC said:
I believe there was a flood. It seems it could have been local and it could have been global, I don't know which. Jesus said there was a flood, that's is good enough for me.
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How does the fact that it must have flooded at sometime, somewhere, to some degree support the bible account of a flood that covered the highest mountains and destroyed all life except for 8 people and two (or was it seven, or was it seven pairs) of every animal (or was it every "kind" of animal, or something else)?

If you want to claim that the bible is true, then support for the (contradictory) bible account(s) of a flood that destroyed all life would be physical evidence of a flood that destroyed all life, not a local flood story that got "improved" as it was told and retold.

[OT] If you want to claim that the bible is true, then support for the (contradictory) bible accounts of the wonder-working, miracle-doing, back-from-the-dead-after-a day-and-a-half (or was it three days and three nights) would be historical evidence that such a god-creature stalked the earth violating the physical constraints of the universe, not sketchy evidence of a fully-human itinerant preacher whose story was "improved" as it was told and retold. [\OT]
 
DOC said:
I believe there was a flood. It seems it could have been local and it could have been global, I don't know which. Jesus said there was a flood, that's is good enough for me.
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Then you also agree with Bart Ehrman that Jesus wasn't divine so why give credence to hearsay about his opinions on a global flood that never happened? Now you're saying that the Bible is incorrect to have said there was a global flood and must have been talking about a regional one.

You've come a long way in your education.
 
DOC said:
I believe there was a flood. It seems it could have been local and it could have been global, I don't know which. Jesus said there was a flood, that's is good enough for me.
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I believe in Santa Claus. It seems he could be just a guy who once gave kids in a local village some toys or it could be a guy who lives in the north pole who flies around every Christmas on a magic sleigh giving toys to kids globally, I don't know which. My parents said there was a Santa, that's good enough for me.
 
Before it goes much further...


From the Book of Moderation 2:1-5
1This thread is about Noah's Flood and the evidence thereof.2 To that end, New Testament events cannot be shoehorned into being even remotely on topic.

3Stay on topic. 4Stay civil. 5The topics is not the other posters
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis
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Here endeth the lesson
 
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