Explosion at the Boston Marathon.

BenBurch said:
The original identification, according to police, was the hostage who escaped from them the night of the shoot-out.
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I don't think that he identified them, in the sense that he gave their names. He just told police that one of them had admitted to being the bomber and that they had stolen his car, which police were then able to track via the owner's cell phone.

It's likely that what triggered the spree that day was that the suspects saw themselves on TV and probably realized it was only a matter of time, IMO.

Whether anyone who knew them did call in to identify them, we don't know.
 
BenBurch said:
The original identification, according to police, was the hostage who escaped from them the night of the shoot-out.
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I did hear that the suspects told the hostage they were responsible for the bombing. But I have a rather hard time believing that the suspects told the hostage their names and how to spell them correctly. :boggled:
 
AdMan said:
...Whether anyone who knew them did call in to identify them, we don't know.
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We do know that friends of at least one of the suspects (Jahar) called him and joked that the bomber was apparently his twin brother. So at a minimum that may have played a role in moving things faster towards the endgame stage. I don't know of anyone calling the police with their suspicions; but given the event I just described I wouldn't be surprised if that indeed happened.
 
Kestrel said:
I did hear that the suspects told the hostage they were responsible for the bombing. But I have a rather hard time believing that the suspects told the hostage their names and how to spell them correctly. :boggled:
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As I heard it, once they had Tamerlan's corpse, they used his fingerprint to identify him. In which case, he must have been "in the system" as they say on those TV crime shows.
 
Kestrel said:
You do realize that normal everyday people who don't work for the police are able to recognize a face?
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Yes. But Junior G Men are also able to identify dozens of other people who didn't do it. Which is why the crowd sourcing idea is dumb.

Also, we have no evidence that any of those ID's led to the suspects. Like I said, my understanding is they outed themselves.
 
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AdMan said:
I don't think that he identified them, in the sense that he gave their names. He just told police that one of them had admitted to being the bomber and that they had stolen his car, which police were then able to track via the owner's cell phone.

It's likely that what triggered the spree that day was that the suspects saw themselves on TV and probably realized it was only a matter of time, IMO.

Whether anyone who knew them did call in to identify them, we don't know.
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This.
 
It is now being reported that the hospitalized bomber has admitted his role and says that his brother was the mastermind. He claims the motive was to avenge Islam.
 
phiwum said:
The photos are gone from that blog post. Perhaps the Mail purchased exclusive rights to them.
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Ah, I had a good look at them last night. It helped clarify what happened in Laurel Street.

It looks like he's made them available to all media. I noticed he was getting lots of tweets with requests from the media.

I have decided to make all of my pictures available to news and media outlets under Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License

In doing so, I have requested the any of these news and media outlets that utilize any of these photos make a donation to the ONE FUND Boston. We cannot regulate this, but we hope that out of respect for the recent events and by a simple honor system all organizations make some contribution.

Link
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This link has appeared repeatedly on my Facebook news feed.
http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU
(Warning: graphic content!)
It's basically a medium-sized collection of pictures and questions raised by the backpacks and supposed agents on the scene and the capture of both suspects.

I have a lot of experience with conspiracies in my past, having been a truther (and other crazy stuff I won't bother you guys with) for a while.
The way the mind starts to find patterns and starts worrying based on little information/blurry imagery and lack of context can lead people down a path I know very well is full of frustration and pointless anxiety.
Seeing people relatively close to me falling for this kind of stuff (one even says he's becoming addicted to this idea) is very disheartening.

This thread already has many pages.
I sincerely apologize if you guys have addressed most of the content in that link, but I have a few questions. If anyone could help me, I would like to thank you in advance.

These are questions that are naturally arising out of my own ignorance, not some certainty. I come here not wanting to claim anything. I come here, in my ignorance, to see if any of you guys can help me find the info to help me solve the questions that have been raised in my mind.

1.
You see a picture of a naked man being escorted. It is claimed to be the older brother. I have seen a post in this thread claiming this isn't even the older brother, but someone else. Is that correct? Who is the individual? Was it a person at the scene and the stripping down a precautionary measure by the the police forces?
Looking at the picture, I can see how one would think it's the older brother. The hair seems similar and the muscular body fits the fact that the older brother was a boxer.
My question is: Is this the brother or not? If not, who is it?

2.
Assuming for a second it is him, how does he end up in the nasty state in the later pictures?
I know the arrest did not go smoothly. I know there was "bomb throwing" or something close to bombs, and I think the younger brother, in the confusion of it all, ran over his older brother, which in my mind can explain the horrible state the older brother was left in.
The link never mentions that, leaving one to assume the unharmed naked guy was severely mistreated in some way.

3.
There is a picture of what I assume is the older brother laying on the asphalt, with his hands up. My question is if this picture was taken before things got out of hand and he was injured. I am assuming it was.
I have a very blurry picture of what happened at the scene and how it all went down. I realize it must be a very complicated stream of little events and decisions, these picture being hard to position in a timeline, but if you can shed some light on this I would appreciate it.

4. I am not convinced by the "blood / not injured" claim surrounding the younger brother, since the pics are not good enough to make a good assessment.
I can very well imagine that he was bleeding but the pics from the night of the capture don't help or need a more detailed context. If you could help me with that, again, I thank you.

5. The 'other men with backpacks'.
A lot of connections are made between the backpacks they are wearing and the evidence found at the scene (notably the black fiber and the white square on the handle). It is implied the bag packs they are seen carrying contain the bombs that will be detonated moments later.
One of the problems with this is that there is no picture of the same "bad guys" pictured at the top, without their bags, running from the scene.
There is however a picture of the younger brother running from the scene without a backpack. At least it's how I'm interpreting the image. The same image contains the older brother, further back. It is too blurry for me to see if he's carrying anything. but we know he carried a darker backpack which can work with the evidence found at the scene. I have seen claims the backpack remains are too dark and don't work with the colors on the older brother's backpack. I know how judging the color of something through blurry security footage is a pain in the neck and often not reliable at all.

I hope I am not inconveniencing the flow of conversation with this sudden post of mine. Perhaps answering these can help others with questions like mine.
 
Stellafane said:
We do know that friends of at least one of the suspects (Jahar) called him and joked that the bomber was apparently his twin brother. So at a minimum that may have played a role in moving things faster towards the endgame stage. I don't know of anyone calling the police with their suspicions; but given the event I just described I wouldn't be surprised if that indeed happened.
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That appears to be what happened, according to the Washington Post:

Once the photos of the men in caps were made public Thursday, the FBI tip line filled with calls, including one from the brothers’ aunt, who provided her nephews’ identity, according to federal law enforcement officials.

As investigators expected, making the photos public not only brought in new information, but also spurred the brothers into action.

Police, citizens and technology factor into Boston bombing probe
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Hourglassmemory said:
This link has appeared repeatedly on my Facebook news feed.
http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU
(Warning: graphic content!)
It's basically a medium-sized collection of pictures and questions raised by the backpacks and supposed agents on the scene and the capture of both suspects.

I have a lot of experience with conspiracies in my past, having been a truther (and other crazy stuff I won't bother you guys with) for a while.
The way the mind starts to find patterns and starts worrying based on little information/blurry imagery and lack of context can lead people down a path I know very well is full of frustration and pointless anxiety.
Seeing people relatively close to me falling for this kind of stuff (one even says he's becoming addicted to this idea) is very disheartening.

This thread already has many pages.
I sincerely apologize if you guys have addressed most of the content in that link, but I have a few questions. If anyone could help me, I would like to thank you in advance.

These are questions that are naturally arising out of my own ignorance, not some certainty. I come here not wanting to claim anything. I come here, in my ignorance, to see if any of you guys can help me find the info to help me solve the questions that have been raised in my mind.

1.
You see a picture of a naked man being escorted. It is claimed to be the older brother. I have seen a post in this thread claiming this isn't even the older brother, but someone else. Is that correct? Who is the individual? Was it a person at the scene and the stripping down a precautionary measure by the the police forces?
Looking at the picture, I can see how one would think it's the older brother. The hair seems similar and the muscular body fits the fact that the older brother was a boxer.
My question is: Is this the brother or not? If not, who is it?
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No, it's not one of the brothers. He is someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was briefly held as a suspect. I have a couple of posts in this thread about him.

ETA: More on "naked man" here.

Hourglassmemory said:
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Assuming for a second it is him, how does he end up in the nasty state in the later pictures?
I know the arrest did not go smoothly. I know there was "bomb throwing" or something close to bombs, and I think the younger brother, in the confusion of it all, ran over his older brother, which in my mind can explain the horrible state the older brother was left in.
The link never mentions that, leaving one to assume the unharmed naked guy was severely mistreated in some way.
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You'd probably have to go back to the press conference given at the hospital on the night he died where the doctors described his condition and what they did to try to resuscitate him.

ETA: For example -Doctor describes efforts to revive bombing suspect

Hourglassmemory said:
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There is a picture of what I assume is the older brother laying on the asphalt, with his hands up. My question is if this picture was taken before things got out of hand and he was injured. I am assuming it was.
I have a very blurry picture of what happened at the scene and how it all went down. I realize it must be a very complicated stream of little events and decisions, these picture being hard to position in a timeline, but if you can shed some light on this I would appreciate it.
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No, this is another person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time on the night, not one of the brothers.


Hourglassmemory said:
4. I am not convinced by the "blood / not injured" claim surrounding the younger brother, since the pics are not good enough to make a good assessment.
I can very well imagine that he was bleeding but the pics from the night of the capture don't help or need a more detailed context. If you could help me with that, again, I thank you.

5. The 'other men with backpacks'.
A lot of connections are made between the backpacks they are wearing and the evidence found at the scene (notably the black fiber and the white square on the handle). It is implied the bag packs they are seen carrying contain the bombs that will be detonated moments later.
One of the problems with this is that there is no picture of the same "bad guys" pictured at the top, without their bags, running from the scene.
There is however a picture of the younger brother running from the scene without a backpack. At least it's how I'm interpreting the image. The same image contains the older brother, further back. It is too blurry for me to see if he's carrying anything. but we know he carried a darker backpack which can work with the evidence found at the scene. I have seen claims the backpack remains are too dark and don't work with the colors on the older brother's backpack. I know how judging the color of something through blurry security footage is a pain in the neck and often not reliable at all.
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I don't have much to say about this.

Hourglassmemory said:
I hope I am not inconveniencing the flow of conversation with this sudden post of mine. Perhaps answering these can help others with questions like mine.
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There is also a thread in the Conspiracy Theories forum where some of this might have been addressed already.
 
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Magenta said:
There is also a thread in the Conspiracy Theories forum where some of this might have been addressed already.
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First, I would like to thank you for your reply.
Second, is it possible to transfer and merge my post and your reply to that thread so it is in a better context?
 
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Hourglassmemory said:
1.
You see a picture of a naked man being escorted. It is claimed to be the older brother. I have seen a post in this thread claiming this isn't even the older brother, but someone else. Is that correct? Who is the individual? Was it a person at the scene and the stripping down a precautionary measure by the the police forces?
Looking at the picture, I can see how one would think it's the older brother. The hair seems similar and the muscular body fits the fact that the older brother was a boxer.
My question is: Is this the brother or not? If not, who is it?
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It's a guy, later released who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was stripped for the obvious fear that suicide explosives may have been present, for all the cops knew. Think about it. If you were a cop would you simply accept some suspect answering "no" when asked if you had a device on your person? Would you say "OK, fair enough, move along"? Would you?


2.
Assuming for a second it is him, how does he end up in the nasty state in the later pictures?[/QUOTE] It wasn't, so why with the pointless speculation?

Hourglassmemory said:
I know the arrest did not go smoothly. I know there was "bomb throwing" or something close to bombs, and I think the younger brother, in the confusion of it all, ran over his older brother, which in my mind can explain the horrible state the older brother was left in.
The link never mentions that, leaving one to assume the unharmed naked guy was severely mistreated in some way.
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Naked guy and older brother are not the same. Stop attempting to conflate them. Older bro was alive when he got to the hospital, despite a hail of bullets, attempted suicide by strapped on bomb and being run over by panicked younger bro. When he hit the hospital, he was alive, but he expired pretty quickly. You can get the post mortem pics pretty easily, but it's not for the faint of heart.

Hourglassmemory said:
3.
There is a picture of what I assume is the older brother laying on the asphalt, with his hands up. My question is if this picture was taken before things got out of hand and he was injured. I am assuming it was.
I have a very blurry picture of what happened at the scene and how it all went down. I realize it must be a very complicated stream of little events and decisions, these picture being hard to position in a timeline, but if you can shed some light on this I would appreciate it.
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In the abscence of your claimed pictures, that is such a load. Post them or STFU.

Hourglassmemory said:
4. I am not convinced by the "blood / not injured" claim surrounding the younger brother, since the pics are not good enough to make a good assessment.
I can very well imagine that he was bleeding but the pics from the night of the capture don't help or need a more detailed context. If you could help me with that, again, I thank you.
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Ever watched someone bleed out? I have. It is astonishing how long the victim can last. You only know for sure when their hand falls out of yours, and it is tragic regardless of what they may have done to helplessly watch a human being fade into the endless night.

Hourglassmemory said:
5. The 'other men with backpacks'.
A lot of connections are made between the backpacks they are wearing and the evidence found at the scene (notably the black fiber and the white square on the handle). It is implied the bag packs they are seen carrying contain the bombs that will be detonated moments later.
One of the problems with this is that there is no picture of the same "bad guys" pictured at the top, without their bags, running from the scene.
There is however a picture of the younger brother running from the scene without a backpack. At least it's how I'm interpreting the image. The same image contains the older brother, further back. It is too blurry for me to see if he's carrying anything. but we know he carried a darker backpack which can work with the evidence found at the scene. I have seen claims the backpack remains are too dark and don't work with the colors on the older brother's backpack. I know how judging the color of something through blurry security footage is a pain in the neck and often not reliable at all.
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I have and use a black backpack, pics on request. Generally, it contains camera gear, coffee for me, juice for the abadonnetes, and sangwitches of varying sorts. Should I now cower in fear?

Hourglassmemory said:
I hope I am not inconveniencing the flow of conversation with this sudden post of mine. Perhaps answering these can help others with questions like mine.
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You are, in fact, doing a service by illustrating crackpot notions at work. Please, have at it.
 
Thank you for your replies, abaddon.

I don't understand your rather blunt attitude in your reply as I am not a CT at all. I was, years ago, but I am no longer. You can even see posts of mine telling the story of my journey back to rationality on this forum. This forum has helped me immensely!

I believe you may have judged my intentions too quickly. I thought I had clearly expressed them at the top of my first post. Maybe it was my fault.

I did not come here believing in some notion that this was conspiracy. I currently hold the position that the CT claims around this are based on a lot of ignorance and pictures lacking context.
I asked the questions to solve a few holes in my own understanding. That's all. I want to have the facts straight before I address the people close to me who are now being fooled by simple minded speculation.

You ask for pictures (supposed "older brother" on asphalt) and speak of pictures (actual older brother dead in the hospital), both of which I've seen and are, in fact, in the link I provided. I even put a warning under the link because, as you say, the post-mortem photos are not for the faint of heart at all.
Would I be wrong in assuming you didn't click the link and "went straight for the jugular", so to speak? ;) I won't take your brusqueness to heart.

You asked me why I indulged in "pointless speculation". It is because that kind of speculation is surely going on in the minds of those I care about and who are now being convinced by this kind of CT nonsense. I put it there because I will surely face that kind of thing when discussing this with them and was hoping others responding to it would give me ideas on how to tackle it.
Your replies did help.

Also, I'm very sorry you've had to deal with a very difficult situation and am sorry for your loss, whoever the person was. :(
 
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