Merged Boston Marathon CTs

I don't think it is demanded too much that the authorities clearly inform about who these people were, so that there is no need to speculate. Has been enough of that and the info can't hurt after the event. And if only to shut the "conspiracy theorists" up.

Like I've said before; you're not privy to this information, especially considering it involves homeland security. Those who don't need to know, don't know. That's how the military works. Most CTs would be a nightmare in the military - always demanding to hear information they're not privy to. We're not entitled to every bit of information in this country.
 
So the infowars article is pretty good, other than the attempt to make their lack of journalistic standards and slander of these men a nothingburger. Many of the phrases and quotes used in it are exactly the same ones I have been using on multiple websites, he definitely at some time read my posts, and also included a few links I hadn't seen yet.

The truly daffy part is how the commenters keep pushing the same points (what were they doing there anyways, 1 guy was wearing a Craft hat etc.), even though they are clearly covered and debunked in infowars own article(because they likely only skimmed it briefly, if at all). It's almost like once the seed is planted, there is no killing the belief in a CT in some people, even if their messiah recants. Some are even calling to 'question everything, even infowars' because apparently their retraction is not as legit as the first accusations.
 
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I have noticed one thing about conspiracy theorists- they despise the USA.
They really want the Boston Marathon bombings to have been a conspiracy, they deeply wish for 9/11 to have been an inside job. Becuse such acts of mass murder is exactly what they would do if they had the ability- its the stuff of a conspiracy theorist's mastubatory fantasies

What is the underlying motivation for their twisted fantasies?

I know 9/11 Truthers have a deep hatred for America, and are projecting- Its their fantasy- its what they always wanted to do, the same with the bombings in Boston.

People from all over the world were injured at the Boston Marathon bombings- when conspiracy theorists fantasize about that having been an inside job, is that an extension of their fantasies to kill other Americans, or just people in general?

I have noticed this attitude among CTers has grown over the last few years. The rampant, vile name calling of any government employee, the conviction that the government is coming to get them and they are going to go down shooting, the hatred of the things (like police) that allow them to live a modern western lifestyle, and the belief that it's SOP for the media to deceive them at every turn. Their mental instability is growing, and they are feeding off each other through the internet and reinforcing each others beliefs.

Will the next civil war be CT vs. non CT?(joking) Because their collective insanity is growing, not shrinking.

Not to mention, it seems this whole Chechen family (especially the parents), other than 1 uncle, are Truthers and CT in general.
 
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What happened to the man who was arrested and stripped naked? I heard a report on skynews.

Some people are saying it was Tamerlan. That he was taken alive? Any clarification?

I have an idiot on our local news sites spewing typical CT stuff about the Boston Bombings. Want to reign him in.
 
What happened to the man who was arrested and stripped naked? I heard a report on skynews.

Some people are saying it was Tamerlan. That he was taken alive? Any clarification?

I have an idiot on our local news sites spewing typical CT stuff about the Boston Bombings. Want to reign him in.

I've not had chance to look properly, but according to this Keith Olbermann tweet, he was apparently arrested, questioned and then released in short order. He attributes this to a CNN photographer, who may or may not be Gabe Ramirez, the chap who, as far as I know, shot the "Naked Guy" footage.

Here's an interview with Ramirez describing the incident:



According to Ramirez, Naked Guy was arrested on Dexter and Nichols, while the Tamerlan shoot-out, according to the Boston Globe Metro Desk, occured on Laurel Street. It's this street where Tamerlan would be run down by his own brother. The two locations seem pretty close, so a lot of confusion abound.

As for the timing, the Boston Globe article has a witness describe being awoken at "around 12:50 a.m" and observing the shootout, lasting for "several minutes", and the CNN Live Feed has the "Naked Guy" arrest at 1:49am. I trust they're both using EDT as their time-zone, which would put Naked Guy's arrest around an hour after the police's attempted arrest on Tamerlan. (Or there is a time-zone issue, and the arrests occured around the same time. I dunno.)

The aunt seems to be pushing the "Naked Guy is Tamerlan" theory, which is getting picked up a lot on forums, social media and websites, judging by a lot Google hits. It'll be interesting to see if Naked Guy eventually comes forward to clear the situation up, or if he just keeps quiet to avoid getting draggd into the whole mess.
 
...It'll be interesting to see if Naked Guy eventually comes forward to clear the situation up, or if he just keeps quiet to avoid getting dragged into the whole mess.

Perhaps he's too embarassed because the strip search revealed he wasn't packing anything particularly dangerous.
 
I've not had chance to look properly, but according to this Keith Olbermann tweet, he was apparently arrested, questioned and then released in short order. He attributes this to a CNN photographer, who may or may not be Gabe Ramirez, the chap who, as far as I know, shot the "Naked Guy" footage.

Here's an interview with Ramirez describing the incident:



According to Ramirez, Naked Guy was arrested on Dexter and Nichols, while the Tamerlan shoot-out, according to the Boston Globe Metro Desk, occured on Laurel Street. It's this street where Tamerlan would be run down by his own brother. The two locations seem pretty close, so a lot of confusion abound.

As for the timing, the Boston Globe article has a witness describe being awoken at "around 12:50 a.m" and observing the shootout, lasting for "several minutes", and the CNN Live Feed has the "Naked Guy" arrest at 1:49am. I trust they're both using EDT as their time-zone, which would put Naked Guy's arrest around an hour after the police's attempted arrest on Tamerlan. (Or there is a time-zone issue, and the arrests occured around the same time. I dunno.)

The aunt seems to be pushing the "Naked Guy is Tamerlan" theory, which is getting picked up a lot on forums, social media and websites, judging by a lot Google hits. It'll be interesting to see if Naked Guy eventually comes forward to clear the situation up, or if he just keeps quiet to avoid getting draggd into the whole mess.

Not disagreeing with your post at all except to say even if the guy comes forward it wont clear it up as far as the conspiracy theorists are concerned. They will just say he is part of the conspiracy.
BTW I would search myself for info about the guy but I'm not about to do any google searches relating to info about naked men. The authorities know enough about me already without them putting "likes gay porn" into my file. :D
 
I've not had chance to look properly, but according to this Keith Olbermann tweet, he was apparently arrested, questioned and then released in short order. He attributes this to a CNN photographer, who may or may not be Gabe Ramirez, the chap who, as far as I know, shot the "Naked Guy" footage.

Here's an interview with Ramirez describing the incident:



According to Ramirez, Naked Guy was arrested on Dexter and Nichols, while the Tamerlan shoot-out, according to the Boston Globe Metro Desk, occured on Laurel Street. It's this street where Tamerlan would be run down by his own brother. The two locations seem pretty close, so a lot of confusion abound.

As for the timing, the Boston Globe article has a witness describe being awoken at "around 12:50 a.m" and observing the shootout, lasting for "several minutes", and the CNN Live Feed has the "Naked Guy" arrest at 1:49am. I trust they're both using EDT as their time-zone, which would put Naked Guy's arrest around an hour after the police's attempted arrest on Tamerlan. (Or there is a time-zone issue, and the arrests occured around the same time. I dunno.)

The aunt seems to be pushing the "Naked Guy is Tamerlan" theory, which is getting picked up a lot on forums, social media and websites, judging by a lot Google hits. It'll be interesting to see if Naked Guy eventually comes forward to clear the situation up, or if he just keeps quiet to avoid getting draggd into the whole mess.

Perfect, thanks for the clarification. Just the info I was looking for.

Google was not particularly helpful, it just linked straight to CT sites.
 
Just going through and compiling and transcribing various witness statements, starting with a chappy who saw Tamerlan and Dzhokhar engage police in a fire fight, throwing bombs, and eventually, Dzhokhar getting into the SUV and flooring it towards the police.

As always: any transcript errors, blame my handlers.
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Eye-witness: Andrew Kitzenberg, 62 Laurel Street, Watertown.
@Twitter feed

Transcript from one of two April 19th MSNBC interviews with Kitzenberg:

04-19-2013 | MSNBC | "Eyewitness shares bird's-eye view of crime scene" said:
HOST: I want to bring back in Andrew Kitzenberg who is an eye-witness to that violence in Watertown; he saw the whole thing from his own apartment window. Andrew, can you re-cap for me what you saw this evening?

KITZENBERG: Yeah. At around 12:45, 12:50, I heard a couple of gunshots outside -- what I thought were gunshots -- outside of my apartment and I went to the window and right outside of our apartment there were two shooters in between a sedan and a black Mercedes Benz SUV, and they were in between these two cars taking cover behind the black SUV, shooting down our street, which is Laurel Street, and they were shooting westward towards what looked to be about six-to-ten Watertown Police Department vehicles, and they were shooting about what seemed to be about 70 to 80 yards down the street, utilizing handguns. And while they were engaging in gunfire they were also using explosives, what seemed to be maybe, maybe grenades, that they were throwing towards the officers, and the gunfight...gunfire, took place for at least a few minutes while they were utilizing explosives and when it comes closer towards the end, they used what seemed to be a larger bomb. From my view, from my bedroom window on the third floor of our building, it was about...I was about thirty-five, forty feet away, and it looked to resemble a pressure cooker -- what I've seen from other pictures online in the last few days. And they...I saw them light this bomb, and the picture you're showing right now is actually the site where the explosion was, and they lit it -- and that would be the bomb squad who was kind of inspecting the site -- but they threw it towards the officers, and it only got maybe fifteen to twenty yards down, so it wasn't very close to the officers but it really...it created a significant decoy, and there was smoke that covered our entire street, and at that point one of the shooters ran towards the officers whilst still engaging in gunfire, and while he was still shooting at them, a few seconds later the second shooter got back into the SUV and turned it around and went full speed into the police officers. Just before he started charging at the officers in the vehicle, the first shooter that was running at them was taken down, and I didn't have a clear view into how that happened, I couldn't tell whether it was...he was shot, or whether he was tackled. The footage may seem like he was shot, but I couldn't see clearly. At that time, the second shooter was basically charging into the officers' vehicles at full speed, and went right in between them, and went right in between two or three officers' cars taking out their doors and windows and side-swiping them, ultimately getting through them and moving past our block and out of my view.

HOST: And you mentioned earlier when we spoke that you saw what looked like a bomb detection robot on the scene. Is that piece of equipment still there, still surveying the scene looking for explosives?

KITZENBERG: Actually, if you hold on one sec, I can look out this window, and basically...

HOST: [Unclear] ...love to see the scene as you're seeing it in your home there.

KITZENBERG: Yeah, I can...So it is actually right there still at the vehicle, and I'm going to walk my...I'm going to walk my computer here.

HOST: Okay, and while you do that, let me just explain to our viewers what we're seeing: Andrew Kitzenberg is an eye witness. His apartment overlooks the street where this fire fight and these explosions took place, and so he's going to try and show us a little bit of what he's seeing. So is that the vehicle that they were using for cover during that fire fight?

KITZENBERG: Yes. This was the smaller sedan.

HOST: Can you open your window, Andrew? It'll provide us with a better view because we're getting a...[unclear]

KITZENBERG: You know what? The bomb squad robot is there, I don't feel comfortable doing that.

HOST: That's okay. We definitely want you to be safe. Okay. Continue. So...

KITZENBERG: So it is right now inspecting the back seat, but it seems like the back left passenger door, and I just took some pictures and put 'em...put one picture on Twitter of the robot, which is at AKitz, and right now it's inspecting the other side of the car. The car has been completely untouched. Right next to the car there are a few backpacks, either two or three backpacks, and that's what it looked like the shooters were carrying ammu--... what I assume would be ammunition, explosives. And those backpacks are still on the ground next to the sedan. They have been untouched right now. It seems like the officers and the bomb squad are proceeding very cautiously in inspecting the vehicle.

HOST: [unclear, distortion] ...see from your view that we saw from your window, you're very close to that car and everything that's taking place. Have you heard anything from law enforcement to you and to other residents in the area about evacuating or staying towards the front of the building? Anything at all about your safety?

KITZENBERG: Yeah, we had...we had -- seemed to be Army personnel -- and they knocked on our door, told us to lock up all the doors in the house, go to the back of the house, and don't come out, and stay low. And that was probably...

HOST: Is that where you are...are you in the back of the house now? Because you seem very close to the activity.

KITZENBERG: Right now I'm with a few of my roommates here, and we're in living room. This is our one TV here, so I'm kinda watching what's being televised so I can stay on spec with you.

HOST: And you posted some photos on Twitter, and again you said your Twitter handle is AKatz, that's -K-A-T... [correcting herself] K-I-T-Z, I'm assuming, right?

KITZENBERG: AKitz.

HOST: AKitz. A-K-I-T-Z. And you just said you posted a photograph of the bomb robot, and earlier this evening you posted some photos of some bullets holes in your home. We're just going to put them up, can you just describe what you photographed and what was taking place at that time?

KITZENBERG: Yeah, so, we actually -- my roommates and I -- didn't even notice the bullet hole until at least an hour and a half later, and then we saw the significant hole through the westward wall in our house and it went right through my roommate's calendar and then right through...right through the chair -- his computer desk chair -- and the slug, which we haven't touched, is still sitting right at the foot of his bed.

HOST: And, Andrew, do you know if anyone has been injured? I mean, you mentioned that one of the suspects may have been shot, but aside from him, do you know if there have been any injuries in this?

KITZENBERG: I don't know. Thankfully all three of my roommates and I are safe right now. We're a little shaken-up, but we're all safe. I have no idea about anyone else on the street in our block.

Transcript from an April 20th MSNBC Today Show interview:

04-20-2013 | MSNBC | Watertown resident: We knew we had to hide said:
HOST: ...Watertown residents spending 24 hours in many cases trapped inside their homes watching this drama unfold around them. Two of the people who went through that, Andrew Kitzenburg, who saw Thursday night's shootout from his window, and Mary Sullivan and her family who were just a few houses away, at one point hiding behind a car during the stand-off on Friday night. Good to have you here this morning because you have quite the tale to tell, both of you. Andrew, we're going to chronologically, so we'll start with you. You were kind of giving us a play by play yesterday of what you saw. You saw this unfold on Thursday night. Tell us what happened.

KITZENBERG: Well, the shooting actually happened right outside of my home in Laurel Street. I initially heard gunshots around 12:45 a.m. and for Watertown it's very startling because it's a quiet town, and I heard the gunfire. I actually went out to the window and saw the shooters right outside my apartment.

HOST: You saw the suspects outside your apartment?

KITZENBERG: Yeah, yeah. I saw the two shooters in between their cars taking cover, firing upon Watertown police officers. And that's when I started to actually take pictures and live tweet the event.

HOST: And you actually at one point -- there are bullet holes in your wall. As you said you were seeing them and I know you were tweeting and giving play by play, did you see the suspect who's now in custody, did you see him flee?

KITZENBERG: Yeah, I did. I did. After a lot of gunfire and use of explosions, I saw one of the shooters get back into his vehicle. He turned around on our street and just floored it right into the Watertown vehicles -- police officer vehicles.

HOST: That's probably the first moment you took a breath.

KITZENBERG: Barely. Small breath.

An April 19th KCRW radio interview with Kitzenberg.

04-19-2013 | KCRW Talks to the Eyewitness of Last Night's Shootout with Bombing Suspects said:
KITZENBERG: If I had to put it into hashtags I'd say "terrifying and stressful." Around 12:45 the shooting started. There's gunfire and explosions, a fire fight with the shooters and the Watertown police department, and now there's officers outside our apartment, which is 62 Laurel Street. And ultimately I witnessed one of the shooters being taken down, one of the shooters getting back into his vehicle and charging the police officers and making it through their vehicle barricade and getting away.

HOST: And this all happened just outside your window?

KITZENBERG: Yeah, yeah, my window was about thirty five, forty feet away from the shooters.

HOST: Shortly after that you were relocated? The cops relocated you or did you just leave?

KITZENBERG: Yeah, so the shooting started at 12:45. At about, I think a little bit before six, we were evacuated from our apartment by heavily armed -- I don't know whether they were federal agents or just SWAT team -- but heavily armed assaulted rifles pointed at us, and doing their job and making sure that they were checking every corner, making every sure...[correcting self] making sure every stone was unturned. We were forced out of apartment, we were frisked, making sure we weren't carrying anything on us. It was...it was quite an ordeal.

HOST: And where are you now, can I ask? Are you at a friend's place?

KITZENBERG: I'm at a neighbors. Thankfully in Watertown we have a great neighborhood, very friendly people here. I'm with my three other roommates, and we're a block away from our apartment which...our whole street is roped off, closed down, and we're at...we're at a neighbors' house.

HOST: And beyond just what you saw last night, and what you've experienced, I mean, how do you feel as a resident of Watertown, you and your friends there with you?

KITZENBERG: Watertown is a quiet, quiet safe town. We never hear anything, it's pretty easy-going. We...[unclear] gunfire was startling last night, and we would never think that it would happen here in Watertown, so...so it's a tough thing to deal with.

HOST: Do you plan to just tweet through the day? I mean, you're kind of in the thick of this. Are you going to continue to observe and report?

KITZENBERG: Yeah, yeah, I'm in the thick of it. One of the biggest difficulties is I left my phone in the heat of us being evacuated, and guns pointed at my face, I left my phone in my room. So I've been able to tweet from Jeff's phone which I'm on right now, and I've been able to keep up in that sense.

HOST: Okay, Andrew, listen, thanks so much. You're an entrepreneur turned citizen-journalist. Thanks for your time, I appreciate it.

KITZENBERG: Okay. Thank you.

HOST: Bye.

Extracts from an April 19th The New York Times article.

04-19-2013 - The New York Times | 2nd Bombing Suspect Caught After Frenzied Hunt Paralyzes Boston said:
A Watertown resident, Andrew Kitzenberg, 29, said he looked out his third-floor window to see two young men of slight build engaged in “constant gunfire” with police officers. A police vehicle “drove towards the shooters,” he said, and was shot at until it was severely damaged. It rolled out of control, Mr. Kitzenberg said, and crashed into two cars in his driveway. The gunmen, he said, had a large, unwieldy bomb that he said looked “like a pressure cooker.”

“They lit it, still in the middle of the gunfire, and threw it,” he said. “But it went 20 yards at most.” It exploded, he said, and one man ran toward the gathered police officers. He was tackled, but it was not clear if he was shot, Mr. Kitzenberg said.

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Meanwhile, Mr. Kitzenberg said, the other man got back into the sport utility vehicle he had been driving, turned it toward officers and “put the pedal to the metal.” The car “went right through the cops, broke right through and continued west.”
 
Eye-witness: Mary Sullivan, walking near Franklin Street.
Witness to the boat shootout.

I was going to stay on Laurel Street witnesses, but Sullivan was interviewed in the same video as Kitzenberg.

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Transcript from an April 20th MSNBC Today Show interview:

04-20-2013 | MSNBC | Watertown resident: We knew we had to hide said:
HALL: ...Watertown residents spending 24 hours in many cases trapped inside their homes watching this drama unfold around them. Two of the people who went through that, Andrew Kitzenburg, who saw Thursday night's shootout from his window, and Mary Sullivan and her family who were just a few houses away, at one point hiding behind a car during the stand-off on Friday night.

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HALL: And then if we fast forward to last night, Mary, you'd been under this shelter in place.

SULLIVAN: Yes.

HALL: We heard the governor lift that order.

SULLIVAN: Yes.

HALL: We saw a lot of folks in Watertown start to come out as you did. Take the dog for a walk.

SULLIVAN: Right.

HALL: And that moment of calm changed pretty quickly for you.

SULLIVAN: Right. We were -- my son, Matthew, my daughter, Taryn, and my son's girlfriend, Jess, and Lucy-May the dog and I decided to go out and we were stopped on Mount Auburn Street and it was very cordial. The state officer just said that, y'know, "everything is fine", but we walked around Watertown High School, and we coming down Russel Aven--... headed over to go to Franklin Street which is where I walk my dog, and just as we were coming down, we heard this...all these shots being fired and we hid behind a car and we just put the phone on and tried to hold it up. It just happened so quickly and so quietly. We didn't notice anything out of turn happening and it's as if they were very slowly coming in and then we knew right then and there that it must have been the second suspect so we stayed where we were and then we slowly inched our way in to, y'know, just try to get a little more video and see what was going on.

HALL: Right. Were you fearful at all?

SULLIVAN: I think I had never heard of shooting before except on television or in the movies so when you hear it, it sounded like firecrackers but we knew right away that we had to hide behind a car and we did, and it was about a half block, we could see down the street, and the police officers were also escorting a few children and their mom, I think, coming out from the street and then we waited for a little while and by then cameramen started coming in and then more shooting began.

HALL: Right. It's just...incredible tales from both of you. As we fast forward to later in the night once we knew the suspect was in custody, you were both out there among the celebrations. Just real quickly, what made you go outside or stay outside?

HALL: Well, we stayed outside. And I live on the main street, so it was just to be thankful to the Watertown police and to all of the presence of the state police and the FBI and everyone who was here. They were wonderful.

KITZENBERG: We were basically confined to our homes all day long. So for me it was nice to actually finally get out and have a little freedom and go see friends and enjoy ourselves.

HALL: Feel safe again. Andrew, Mary, good to have both of you with us.

SULLIVAN: Thank you very much.

HALL: We're glad you're both safe during everything that happened as well. Appreciate you sharing your stories.


Extract from an April 19th CNN article: Cheers erupt on Boston-area streets after suspect's arrest

Cheers erupt on Boston-area streets after suspect's arrest said:
Watertown resident Mary Sullivan was among those cheering.

She was walking her young black Labrador, Lucy, when gunshots rang out in her neighborhood on Friday.

She waited for word on the fate of the suspect at the corner of Franklin and Mount Auburn with dozens of other residents.

"I'm glad it's over," she said. "The city and the people have gone through so much pain over these irrational decisions of these young men."


Extract from an April 21st Metro.us article: Questions remain after shootouts, capture of Boston bombing suspect

21-04-2013 | Questions remain after shootouts said:
A lifetime neighborhood resident who was walking her dog when she hear the gun fire Friday night, Mary Sullivan said Franklin Street is easily accessible from the area where the car chase ended at Dexter and Laurel streets.

“There’s not a lot of dead-ends and if you know the town you can make your way down to Watertown Square without ever going on Mount Auburn Street,” Sullivan told the News Service.
 
What happened to the man who was arrested and stripped naked? I heard a report on skynews.

Some people are saying it was Tamerlan. That he was taken alive? Any clarification?

I have an idiot on our local news sites spewing typical CT stuff about the Boston Bombings. Want to reign him in.

I understood that Tamerlan was taken alive but died in the hospital.
 
Witness: Beth Robinson, Dexter Street.
Heard the Laurel Street fire fight. With husband, Paul, and their four children.

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From Boston Globe Metro article: Watertown residents recall terror of gun battle

04-19-2013 | The Boston Globe | Watertown residents recall terror of gun battle said:
Beth Robinson and her husband, Paul, heard loud pop, pop, pop sounds around 12:45 a.m., and at first shrugged it off. But then came the explosions. Terrified, the couple corralled their four children and raced to the basement where they huddled on the basement steps, hoping to stay safe and waiting for the barrage of gunfire to end.

Through her darkened basement window, Beth Robinson said she saw people racing through her yard and the bright flashing lights of police cruisers. It was terrifying.

“My daughter was scared. She was crying,’’ said Beth Robinson. “We just huddled there together, waiting for it to stop.”


From Boston Globe Metro article: In Watertown, residents waited for good news

04-20-2013 | The Boston Globe | In Watertown said:
The Robinsons, who live on Dexter Avenue near Laurel Street, said officials discovered a piece of a pipe bomb in their front yard.


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Witness: David LaRocca, 3 Laurel Street.
Witnessed the Laurel Street fire fight.

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From Boston Globe Metro article: Watertown residents recall terror of gun battle

04-19-2013 | The Boston Globe | Watertown residents recall terror of gun battle said:
David LaRocca, a local sculptor, was in the kitchen of his Laurel Street studio, where he lives and works, when he heard the first series of pops.

Instead of ducking for cover, he went outside to see what was happening, certain that he was too far away to be hit.

“I heard the pop, pop, popping. I could see the activity,’’ LaRocca said, who stood on the sidewalk outside his house while looking down the street to site of the action. “I heard whizzing sounds. But then I later figured it was bullets going by me that I was hearing.”

Realizing it was dangerous, he went back inside, but as the commotion intensified, he came out again. Just as he opened his front door, a bright light froze on his chest and an officer glared at him.

“The officer had his rifle trained on me,’’ recalled LaRocca. “He said. ‘Close the door!’ Get back inside!’ ”


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Witness: Jennings Aske, 66 Laurel Street
Witnessed the Laurel Street fire fight.

From Boston Globe Metro Desk: New details on wild shootout with bomb suspects in Watertown; chief says older brother was killed by younger brother’s desperate getaway

04-21-2013 | New details on wild shootout with bomb suspects in Watertown; chief says older brother was killed by younger brother’s desperate getaway | Boston Globe Metro Desk said:
The shots, around 12:50 a.m., woke resident Jennings Aske, at 66 Laurel Ave. When he looked out his window he saw a green Honda Civic sedan stopped in the street, with its lights on and the driver’s side windows blown out. A husky man – apparently Tamerlan Tsarnaev -- stood nearby firing a gun.

“I saw him standing there shooting at police,” Aske said. “When he fired, there was a little flash of light. I could hear the gun firing. It was terrifying.”

A police SUV came down Laurel Street, hearing west toward Dexter Ave., crashing into some trash cans on the sidewalk and into a parked car. Aske said he then saw a black Mercedes SUV drive up, also heading west toward Dexter Avenue. Then he heard two or three loud explosions, one of them large enough to shake the house. In an instant, the street “was crawling with police,” he said.


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An April 19th 2013 interview with NECN:

04-19-2013 | NECN | Watertown witness: The reality is kicking in said:
HOST: Jennings Aske -- have I pronounced your name properly?

ASKE: It's Aske.

HOST: Aske. Thank you for joining us at NECN. Tell us what's happened in your home this morning.

ASKE: Well, about twenty minutes ago, we noticed SWAT teams and police officers going door-to-door evacuating residents. They really didn't explain why they were doing this, they just said they were doing this for our safety. We're down the other end of the street, behind a few cruisers that they blocked off traffic. They're going in and searching the area, probably looking for evidence in the shootings last night.

HOST: Jennings, let me interrupt you for a quick second. Let people at home know where you are in the context...in relation to the Watertown Mall and the Arsenal Mall.

ASKE: So we're on Laurel Street, which is maybe a five minute drive from Arsenal Mall.

HOST: And for people at home, we're talking to somebody who's been evacuated from their home. There was a shoot out that took place near the corner of Laurel and Dexter Street. So continue to tell your story.

ASKE: Yeah, I actually witnessed the shootout. I was woken by the gunshots, looked out the window, saw one of the individuals shooting, I think I saw another -- a little frantic at the time, as you can imagine.

HOST 2: What time... -- Jennings, what time was it then?

ASKE: It was around 1 in the morning.

HOST 2: And were you woken up by what was going on, or were you just awake?

ASKE: No, I was woken up by what was going on outside. And in addition to the gunshots, I saw.... -- heard three, sort of like explosions. Some sort of explosives. I didn't see what happened. I heard them, though. And then I noticed a police cruiser come running -- not police cruiser -- but police SUV come running down the street. It was shot at by the individuals and the driver lost control and crashed into my neighbor's car. It was just utter pandemonium.

HOST 2: And I believe one of those vehicles, at least one, maybe two vehicles, are still there being looked at for evidence?

ASKE: Yeah, basically I couldn't sleep obviously with what was going and the whole night I was watching, watching and actually taking photos and posting to my Twitter stream of the robot and the bomb team actually looking for a bomb. At one point it looked like the robot found what appeared to be a bomb, it looked like a pressure cooker. I couldn't be certain because I was probably about, y'know, maybe sixteen feet away with bad lighting but... -- there was no street lighting at the time -- but it looked like a pressure cooker, and went off in the direction of where all the law enforcement officials were.

HOST: Jennings, it's pretty amazing to me that with an active investigation like that, with so much danger, that there you are sixteen feet away from an active investigation where bombs have gone off, you must have been a little bit frightened?

ASKE: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. As we sit here this morning, y'know, the reality of it's sinking in. We have a twenty-month old daughter at home upstairs who's sleeping. She was woken up by all this. It's just made the whole thing very scary.

HOST: We're talking to Jennings Aske, he is a resident, one of the many people evacuated currently by police as they actively search the second of two suspects being described as being directly related to the marathon bombings. One of them has deceased at Beth Israel Hospital, the other one they appear to be searching for at this hour.


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A Fenway-Kenmore Patch article has three photos, attributed to Aske, of the bomb robot investigating the sedan. Via Reuters.
 
Alright, last two - I don't want to de-rail the thread from active discussion by bogging it down in long quote dumps, but that's several witnesses to the shootout, being armed with explosives, Tamerlan being tackled by police, and Dzhokhar running Tamerlan down while escaping in the SUV.

Might be helpful. I dunno.

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Witness: James Floyd, Laurel Street.
Witnessed the fire fight on Laurel Street.

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From The New York Post:

04-20-2013 | New York Post | Bombing suspects' two-day trail of blood said:
Witnesses described a scene of absolute mayhem in the leafy suburb. “They were shooting. Then they were throwing things,” said witness James Floyd.

“One thing that they threw caused a big, big explosion — it knocked things off my wall. They were throwing to hit the police officers,” said Floyd.

“Then it looked like one of them tried to run at a police officer and tried to tackle him. One guy got into the black car and it looked like he ran over the other guy and another man and then there were about 30 gunshots.”

Tamerlan was shot nine times during the firefight, sources said. He was then run over by his brother as he sped off in the SUV.

“The guy was left on the ground,” said Floyd.


From The New York Post:

04-19-2013 | The New York Post | Boston communities shocked by overnight violence said:
James Floyd, who lives with his wife and three-week-old baby on Laurel St., witnessed two suspects firing at police.

Floyd told The Post he was on his couch and heard "lots of loud bangs" in front of his house.

Floyd said he saw two men shooting from behind a black SUV. The men threw something that "caused a big, big explosion."

"It knocked things off my wall," Floyd said.

Floyd said the two men continued to throw things at the officers and it appeared that they had "fuses" attached to them.

"One of the guys got in the black car and it looked like [one suspect] ran over [the other suspect] and another man. Then there were about 30 gunshots."

Floyd said he was told by authorities around 5:30 a.m. that they had to leave.

"There were guns all over the ground and backpacks on the ground."

From a a nice selection of interviews from The New York Times:

04-22-2013 | Watertown Recovers by Brent McDonald | The New York Times said:
FLOYD: The first pipe bombs were like louder than shotguns, but less than, say, the cannon that goes off when the Patriots score a touchdown. The last one that went off was the most impressive thing I've ever witnessed. It was blinding, it shook the walls of the house, it knocked pictures off our wall."

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Witness: Curtis Hazlett
Witnessed the Laurel Street fire fight.

From the New York Times:

04-22-2013 | Watertown Recovers by Brent McDonald | The New York Times said:
At which point I saw suspect number one come running along the fence on Laurel Street and go across the street, and a cop ran out and tackled him to the ground, had his leg on him, with the gun drawn, and was telling him "don't move, don't move", at which point the SUV came, and actually ran over his brother, and dragged him about twenty feet into the road, hit the police car that was on the side of the road, and went straight through the intersection and on.

From CNN, via YouTube. Rush transcript by CNN:

04-20-2013 | CNN said:
LEMON: That was Thursday night's gunfight that killed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and wounded his younger brother who somehow escaped though not for long. Curtis Hazlett who was an eyewitness to all of that. He joins me now. I want you to take us back to that night and what you heard and saw. When you heard that -- we saw the video, that was your neighborhood?

HAZLETT: Yes.

LEMON: Yes.

HAZLETT: Yes. It is about 1:00 in the morning. I was asleep and woke up to the house kind of shaking and a lot of boom. At first, I didn't really think was too much and, you know, I heard a second boom. At the point, realized something is going on so I went to the window. By the time I got to the window, about three police cars came up and parked right in front of my house and they got out and then immediately started exchanging gunfire with the individuals. I couldn't see them because they were down the street blocked by a house.

LEMON: Yes. But, you are on the third floor.

HAZLETT: Yes, correct.

LEMON: And then -- but you did see the exchange between the police and the brothers. You said that the older brother, Tamerlan, charge police officer.

HAZLETT: He did. Yes, at one point, he ran towards the police and then tried to go cross the road and the police officer ran out and grabbed him then basically took him down to the ground.

LEMON: So, police have him cornered?

HAZLETT: Yes.

LEMON: And the older one got out of the car?

HAZLETT: I couldn't see the car. So, I don't know if they were in a car or not. I assumed they were.

LEMON: All right. Did you see -- they said that they were throwing explosives out of the car. Did you see that or --?

HAZLETT: I just saw the explosives going off. I couldn't see their car them until he had come in the police view or into my view.

LEMON: OK. So, the older brother gets out in the car, charges police officers, police take him down.

HAZLETT: Yes.

LEMON: They were trying to hand-cap him on the ground.

HAZLETT: Yes.

LEMON: And then, what happens?

HAZLETT: At that point, a black SUV came out from behind the house where they were and I couldn't see him and ran over his brother.

LEMON: So, do you believe the younger one, was it?

HAZLETT: Yes, he did.

LEMON: OK. Dzhokhar was in the SUV driving and ran over his own brother.

HAZLETT: Yes.

LEMON: He really killed his own brother.

HAZLETT: I do believe sir, yes.

LEMON: What happened to police? What happened when he drove towards them?

HAZLETT: There were two police officers who had their back to where the car was because they were trying to subdue the first suspect. And they got out of the way just in the nick of time. He went over them and then they started shooting rounds into the SUV and then took off to follow the SUV. But there were a bunch of cops that stayed back to tend to the first suspect.

LEMON: When he ran over his brother, what happened? You said -- did he drag him?

HAZLETT: Yes, about 20 feet.

LEMON: About 20 feet he dragged his own brother.

HAZLETT: Yes.

LEMON: Down the street. What were you guys doing? Were you alone at the time?

HAZLETT: My roommate and his girlfriend were in the third floor with me. And my roommate and I were at the window and his girlfriend was in the other room.

LEMON: Your reaction?

HAZLETT: Shock, awe, nervous, anxious, the whole realm, really.

LEMON: Yes. Unbelievable. And what do they do once the car got away? You said they were shooting rounds at the car. The police who were there on the scene, did they attend to the other person or was he too far away?

HAZLETT: They attended to the officer that was down, the transit officer -- they got him in the ambulance within a matter of minutes and off. And then, about ten or so minutes later, they had an ambulance at the scene for the suspect.

LEMON: Curtis, thank you.

HAZLETT: Yes. Thank you, Don.

LEMON: I really appreciate you joining us. All right?

HAZLETT: Yes.

LEMON: Thank you so much.
 
So has Beck blown the lid off yet?


Yes, he has! You better sit down before you read this!

It turns out the Saudi's student visa to go to college gave his school as Ohio but he then moved to Boston!!!

Yep. That was it.
 
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...It turns out the Saudi's student visa to go to college gave his school as Ohio but he then moved to Boston!!!

Everything I know has been a lie. I henceforth renounce skepticism and will devote the remainder of my life to more realistice pursuits.
 

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