Explosion at the Boston Marathon.

zeggman said:
They were all bullied, and perceived themselves as outcasts, which doesn't seem to be the case for Suspect #2, who was popular and well-liked.

I've known lots of religious fanatics who were quiet and normal. If you didn't discuss religion with them, you wouldn't have a clue.
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Derail, and sorry if it's already been mentioned, but the Columbine pair were not bullied, contrary to popular belief. Nor were they particularly considered "dweebs."
 
WildCat said:
So stripping a man in public in front of cameras based on speculation is "reasonably cautious", but discussing a current event on social media based on FBI descriptions is irresponsible. Got it. :rolleyes:


He is?

And it was the the police who put him under suspicion in the first place, not the NY Post or Reddit.
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Dude. Seriously - are you ok? Your link says the exact opposite:

Salah Barhoun, 17, said he went to the police yesterday to clear his name after he found himself tagged in pictures online. He had just gone to watch the race, he said, but soon after the explosions, he was singled out by internet sleuths as looking suspicious.
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When he saw the front page story, with the headline "Bag Men," Barhoun said, "It's the worst feeling that I can possibly feel… I'm only 17."
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Nothing from your link indicates the Police were involved first.

This article supports that as well.
 
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zeggman said:
No, it is not.

His fear (assuming he is really fearful) is irrational and overblown.


Islamic fundamentalists who are irrational psychotics have done harm in the exact scenario of killing people in office buildings, crashing airplanes, and planting bombs at public events. Plenty of people are afraid of them too, and their fear is also irrational, at least until instances of actual harm become a lot more common than they are now.

More people get hit by lightning every year than are killed (or threatened) because they look like someone who allegedly did something bad. Maybe it's just as well that he's staying inside (again, assuming he actually is). That lightning can be deadly.
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You're flat-out going to refuse to acknowledge that there are crazy people out there, who could very well be stalking this kid. As we speak.

This after I PROVED to you that there are indeed crazy people out there that do crazy stuff - as in the woman who mistook someone for Casey Anthony and nearly killed her. A thousand miles away from where Casey Anthony actually was.
 
phiwum said:
Why are you purposely misrepresenting others' claims?
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When ABC News says they have several sources which confirm that the feds were in fact trying to identify the persons who turned out to be Barhoun and someone else I give it great weight.

ANTPogo must be assuming either several of ABCs sources in the FBI are lying, or ABC is lying in order to cover up for the NY Post. If there's another option I'm not seeing it.
 
ANTPogo said:
Did you completely miss what happened with CNN and other news outlets this week, or are you just being deliberately obtuse?
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I think that when a photo is of interest and is being passed around by investigators lots of people in said investigation will know that. Lots of people in the investigation will not know the nature of why the Saudi man being questioned, and rumors fill the vacuum.

The fact is at least one source in the investigation told the NY Post that Barhoun's picture was being passed around, and this was confirmed by ABC which indicated they had several sources in the investigation confirming the Post's story.

ASFAIK CNN was the sole source of the Saudi rumor, while the story that Barhoun's picture was being passed around was confirmed by several independent sources within the investigation.
 
WildCat said:
When ABC News says they have several sources which confirm that the feds were in fact trying to identify the persons who turned out to be Barhoun and someone else I give it great weight.

ANTPogo must be assuming either several of ABCs sources in the FBI are lying, or ABC is lying in order to cover up for the NY Post. If there's another option I'm not seeing it.
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Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that ABC's sources, unlike most of the "sources" being quoted by the news media this week, were actually completely correct. "Some unnamed law enforcement officials sent an email about trying to locate the identities of the people in this picture" still doesn't mean "Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon", because the Feds weren't "seeking" them at all. That was the Post jumping the gun and falsifying things (the Feds were actually seeking two entirely different individuals by the time that picture appeared on the internet and the email was purportedly sent).

It's the same as when they turned "the Feds want to question this Saudi student as a witness" into "Investigators have a suspect — a Saudi Arabian national — in the horrific Boston Marathon bombings, The Post has learned."
 
ANTPogo said:
"Investigators have a suspect — a Saudi Arabian national — in the horrific Boston Marathon bombings, The Post has learned."
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The difference is no other news agency confirmed the Posts's story about the Saudi suspect. ABC cited several sources confirming that Barhoun's picture had been passed around.
 
WildCat said:
I think that when a photo is of interest and is being passed around by investigators lots of people in said investigation will know that. Lots of people in the investigation will not know the nature of why the Saudi man being questioned, and rumors fill the vacuum.
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Which is why the New York Post shouldn't have been writing and running egregiously overstated articles based on those rumors.

The fact is at least one source in the investigation told the NY Post that Barhoun's picture was being passed around, and this was confirmed by ABC which indicated they had several sources in the investigation confirming the Post's story.
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Except that they didn't confirm the Post's story, because that wasn't the Post's story. The Post claimed that the Feds were seeking those two men, when they weren't.

ASFAIK CNN was the sole source of the Saudi rumor
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"Investigators have a suspect — a Saudi Arabian national — in the horrific Boston Marathon bombings, The Post has learned."
 
ANTPogo said:
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that ABC's sources, unlike most of the "sources" being quoted by the news media this week, were actually completely correct. "Some unnamed law enforcement officials sent an email about trying to locate the identities of the people in this picture" still doesn't mean "Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon", because the Feds weren't "seeking" them at all. That was the Post jumping the gun and falsifying things (the Feds were actually seeking two entirely different individuals by the time that picture appeared on the internet and the email was purportedly sent).
It's the same as when they turned "the Feds want to question this Saudi student as a witness" into "Investigators have a suspect — a Saudi Arabian national — in the horrific Boston Marathon bombings, The Post has learned."
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Which doesn't mean that they weren't seeking Barhoun prior to learning about the other guys.

And the FBI confounded it by not releasing pictures of the actual suspects, allowing rumors to fly and speculation to mount and possibly resulting in the death of the MIT cop.
 
WildCat said:
The difference is no other news agency confirmed the Posts's story about the Saudi suspect.
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They didn't?

WildCat said:
ASFAIK CNN was the sole source of the Saudi rumor
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You might want to get your own story straight.

ABC cited several sources confirming that Barhoun's picture had been passed around.
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Too bad the Post kind of went beyond that.
 
ANTPogo said:
Which is why the New York Post shouldn't have been writing and running egregiously overstated articles based on those rumors.



Except that they didn't confirm the Post's story, because that wasn't the Post's story. The Post claimed that the Feds were seeking those two men, when they weren't.
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So you think their picture was being passed around because they thought he was a handsome guy or something?

ANTPogo said:
"Investigators have a suspect — a Saudi Arabian national — in the horrific Boston Marathon bombings, The Post has learned."
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So CNN jumped the gun on someone else, which no other news agency confirmed AFAIK.

None of which alters the fact that ABC did confirm the Posts's claim that the investigation was for a time focusing on Barhoun.
 
WildCat said:
Which doesn't mean that they weren't seeking Barhoun prior to learning about the other guys.
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"This doesn't prove they weren't seeking him!" is a massively weak excuse for running a front-page headline saying that they were seeking him, and I'm frankly astonished you're actually defending the Post for doing that.

And the FBI confounded it by not releasing pictures of the actual suspects, allowing rumors to fly and speculation to mount and possibly resulting in the death of the MIT cop.
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So, because the FBI didn't tell the Post just who they were seeking, the poor Post was forced, forced to tell everyone and sundry that they were actually seeking two completely innocent people that the FBI was not, in fact, seeking?
 
ANTPogo said:
"This doesn't prove they weren't seeking him!" is a massively weak excuse for running a front-page headline saying that they were seeking him, and I'm frankly astonished you're actually defending the Post for doing that.
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No, they certainly were seeking him. Again, they weren't passing his picture around to comment on his sense of fashion.

ANTPogo said:
"So, because the FBI didn't tell the Post just who they were seeking, the poor Post was forced, forced to tell everyone and sundry that they were actually seeking two completely innocent people that the FBI was not, in fact, seeking?
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What on earth makes you think that they had learned of the Tsarnaev brothers at that time?
 
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