Explosion at the Boston Marathon.

Sideroxylon said:
I'd hope they would do it for everyone and not only people with high profile health crises.
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ITA and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.


Sabrina said:
There was a fund set up to help victims of the bombing barely 24 hours after it happened; by the Massachusetts state government no less. I believe (although I'm not positive, mind) that the federal government was going to either contribute or set up a similar fund.
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Good, thank you. I hadn't heard that.
 
Shrinker said:
I've mostly resisted posting in this forum for a couple of years now but I had to come out if semi retirement to address this. Can you not see what you did? I used to enjoy the debate in the CT sub forum. Over there I saw many posters incensed at the insensitivity of Truthers who posted serious and hurtful accusations about people who were dead or missing in full view of their grieving relatives. Those accusations were based on nothing but their own sniff-tests and the result of their inability to think critically about their own opinions before posting. It was truly disgusting, as was your set of posts.

Regarding the behaviour if the FBI. They caught both suspects. You have no idea how at this stage. They may already have had their names when they released the photos. Bear in mind what was advertised as a manhunt was also an evidence hunt. The FBI need to keep back evidence for the trial and only release the bare minimum. You're assuming way too much, and drawing conclusions too earliy. Classic CT.
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The fuzzy pictures made him do it.
 
zeggman said:
My opinion is that they joined the global jihad, and wanted to strike a blow against the evil empire.
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This being a skeptics forum, we tend to be more about evidence than opinion... Not ruling out the fundamentalist angle, but also, I am not ruling out the chechen nationalist angle and a couple more.
 
zeggman said:
Maybe if you didn't have everyone who says something you don't like on "ignore" you'd have seen them.

Then again, maybe if you didn't have your mind set on auto-ignore you'd have figured it out for yourself.

The original images the FBI released were not adequate for identifying the suspects. People who knew the two individuals looked at those images and either didn't recognize them, or didn't trust their analysis enough to finger individuals they knew.

Nothing but what you call "internet sleuthing" was responsible for changing that, and providing clearer images. People had to look at other images and determine -- is this the person the FBI is targeting? Whether those images were online or simply on their own hard drive, the process was one of matching those "fuzzy pictures" with pictures which made identification more certain. That included identifying the logos on the hats.
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Simply not true, from what I've heard.

It was the photographer who first realized that Suspect #2 was in his photo, and he brought it to the attention of the FBI (who already had the photo).

I have seen no evidence that the internet sleuths were the source of any useful information. Nor, indeed, have I seen evidence that this case was busted because of this photo. The case was broken wide open after the MIT officer was killed, and this was not a result of any internet activity.
 
phiwum said:
Simply not true, from what I've heard.

It was the photographer who first realized that Suspect #2 was in his photo, and he brought it to the attention of the FBI (who already had the photo).

I have seen no evidence that the internet sleuths were the source of any useful information. Nor, indeed, have I seen evidence that this case was busted because of this photo. The case was broken wide open after the MIT officer was killed, and this was not a result of any internet activity.
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That's right. While the Boston police never even mentioned Tripathi's name over the radio, at the time the Internet sleuths were retweeting that they did, the BPD was saying that the suspect they were hunting was "definitely the suspect in the white hat from the photos".
 
GeneMachine said:
This being a skeptics forum, we tend to be more about evidence than opinion...
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Sure you are.

GeneMachine said:
Not ruling out the fundamentalist angle, but also, I am not ruling out the chechen nationalist angle and a couple more.
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I'm not ruling anything out. If evidence comes to light that demonstrates this was an act of Chechen resistance, I'll be happy to revise my opinion. That's what happens among those who value evidence.

From the evidence I've seen so far, the most likely motivation is Islamic fundamentalism. Since you didn't offer the evidence which supports your opinion, I won't either. I trust most people have already seen much of it.
 
phiwum said:
Simply not true, from what I've heard.

It was the photographer who first realized that Suspect #2 was in his photo, and he brought it to the attention of the FBI (who already had the photo).
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And how do you suppose he realized that Suspect #2 was in his photo? That's right, by doing exactly what the folks on Reddit were doing: examining the photo and determining how closely an unidentified individual in a photograph which was not blessed by the FBI matched an individual in a fuzzy photo which was.

Any of the photos which were online could have contained similar evidence, and the only way to know is to look at each and every one of them. Thousands of eyes can do the job faster than a handful of experts.
 
Checkmite said:
That's right. While the Boston police never even mentioned Tripathi's name over the radio, at the time the Internet sleuths were retweeting that they did, the BPD was saying that the suspect they were hunting was "definitely the suspect in the white hat from the photos".
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They were wrong, and many of the internet sleuths said so immediately.

The good thing about open discussion is that errors can be corrected.
 
Dorian Gray said:
Yeah, um, we're kinda busy with attacks on US soil resulting in deaths and injuries right now. The perpetual NK crisis, decades old, can kinda wait, no?
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I was making a snark at CNN, who covered nothing else but the minutiae regarding NK for almost the entire month of March. Every report made it seem as if global thermonuclear war was imminent.
 
zeggman said:
You have no way of knowing that. One of #2's friends said one of the pictures reminded her of him, but then she felt guilty for even suspecting him. If he wore that polo hat everywhere, identifying the logo might have given her more confidence that her suspicions were justified.
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Ah yes, the friend who decided not to report her suspicions because the Internet sleuths had already identified suspect 2 as Sunil Tripathi? That one?
 
Alt+F4 said:
Wrong. A "no charge" health care system does not exist. People pay for it through their taxes.
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No he was correct - you've got yourself confused about "no cost" and "no charge". Many parts of the UK NHSs are "no charge", all the treatment he would need if he was in the UK would be "no charge".
 
And now the mainstream conspiracy theories start. No, I'm not referring to the looney bin Truther types. I'm talking about the mainstreamers who think the fact that White Hat Boy was Muslim means that the global jihadist movement is to blame for this one. It is what every big media outlet and pundit, both left and right are preaching. Why do "they" hate us so.

The facts are still scarce about this boy's motivations but everything seems to point to sociopathy, not jihadism, as his disease. If there is a conspiracy afoot here it seems to me to be one of mentally disturbed teenagers, not Al Queda.
 
L.Y.S. said:
I feel sorry for all the missing individuals who people are frantically searching for, and were named as terror suspects. Must've made their parents' lives a living hell. I really hope they find that Sunil kid. My feeling is that he's in a ditch somewhere, or a terrible accident happened. :(
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Usually when people around here disappear it's because they got drunk and fell into the river, where they are found weeks or months later.
 
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