Merged No Planes At WTC (Split from: WTC Dust)

[TJM]

you would have seen evidence of that collision in all the videos of the events, and you don't.

I do.

 

[WTC Dust]

Most of the rest of the world knows what happened to those people. Why do you disrespect their memories with comments like the above?

I only replied to your question. Left to my own devices, I wouldn't
be talking about planes at all, because I study what destroyed
the World Trade Center.

 

[Resume]

I only replied to your question. Left to my own devices, I wouldn't
be talking about planes at all, because I study what destroyed
the World Trade Center.

Nearly everyone else already understands what happened. Have you ever asked them?

 

[Dash80]

The air traffic controllers never give a consistent story.
Richard D. Hall seems pretty smart, and he talks about the
radar, so I'm guessing that it exists.

Radar isn't my thing. I might be able to use radar, given a bit
of training, but I certainly wouldn't know how to validate radar,
even if I tried, so I don't.

If Richard D. Hall says radar exists, and that it means something,
then I'm ok with that. On the other hand, if it turns out not to
exist, it wouldn't rock my world, either.

You are seriously questioning if radar exists? Not to mention relying on a nut job like Richard "anti-gravity balls" Hall for information!

 

[Dash80]

I only replied to your question. Left to my own devices, I wouldn't
be talking about planes at all, because I study what destroyed
the World Trade Center.

Here's your problem, you're trying to ignore the planes.

Are you going to admit you are wrong about the NTSB and reconstructing planes?

Are you going to admit that Mark Bingham saying his full name on the phone to his mother is not strange. She didn't think it was.

Are you going to admit that a small prop-plane is not a worthy comparison to 500mph 767s?

You ignored mine and beachnut's responses to your 26 reasons.

 

[Loss Leader]

Nope. That a meat bird can destroy an aluminum wing of an airplane.

Once again, you're confusing destroying a part of the skin of an airplane and destroying the frame. It doesn't take much to make a plane unflyable. A hole in the skin will mess up the aerodynamics of a plane pretty badly. Yet I still wait for you to show one example of a birdstrike destroying the frame of the wing of a plane as large or larger than a DC-3.

So I'm winning this one.

You may have to do some work on your definition of winning.

A four inch thick wall of steel? No. Absolutely not. Steel is almost miraculously strong when it is four inches thick.

Why do you bring up a 4" thick wall of steel? Do you understand that the south face of WTC2 was not a wall of steel? Do you know its actual construction? Wasn't the south face a lattice-work mostly of glass and steel? What role does that play in any calculation that might be done regarding the force it exerted?

A plane impact might be able to break a four inch thick wall, but not pierce through it undamaged like the videos seem to show.

Do you see the mistake you made there? I highlighted it in red.

WE HAVE VIDEO! It doesn't show plane debris.

We have video at certain resolutions, from certain angles, all of which you have only seen after it had been subject to multiple compression algorithms. What reason other than fantasy do you have to believe that you personally should see some sort of detail in such videos?

This is evidence of absence, not absence of evidence.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

All I can say is that I do not know anything at all about the people you are referring to.

You could fix that fairly easily, couldn't you? Their names were:

Alona Abraham
Garnet Edward Bailey
Mark Lawrence Bavis
Graham Andrew Berkeley
Touri Bolourchi
Klaus Bothe
Daniel Raymond Brandhorst
David Reed Gamboa Brandhorst
John Brett Cahill
Christoffer Mikael Carstanjen
John J. Corcoran III
Dorothy Alma de Araujo
Ana Gloria Pocasangre Debarrera
Robert John Fangman
Lisa Anne Frost
Ronald Gamboa
Lynn Catherine Goodchild
Peter M. Goodrich
Douglas Alan Gowell
Francis Edward Grogan
Carl Max Hammond, Jr.
Christine Lee Hanson
Peter Burton Hanson
Susan Kim Hanson
Gerald Francis Hardacre
Eric Hartono
James Edward Hayden
Herbert Wilson Homer
Michael Robert Horrocks
Robert Adrien Jalbert
Amy N. Jarret
Ralph Kershaw
Heinrich Kimmig
Amy R. King
Brian Kinney
Kathryn L. LaBorie
Robert G. Leblanc
Maclovio Lopez, Jr.
Marianne Macfarlane
Alfred Gilles Marchand
Louis Mariani
Juliana McCourt
Ruth Magdaline McCourt
Wolfgang Peter Menzel
Shawn M. Nassaney
Marie Pappalardo
Patrick J. Quigley IV
Frederick Charles Rimmele III
James Roux
Jesus Sanchez
Victor J. Saracini
Mary Kathleen Shearer
Robert M. Shearer
Jane Louise Simpkin
Brian David Sweeney
Michael C. Tarrou
Alicia N. Titus
Timothy Ray Ward
William Michael Weems


Reverend Francis Grogan was the pastor at the Holy Cross Fathers Mission House in North Dartmouth, MA. Their phone number is (508) 993-2238. Call them and ask them about Father Grogan. Then you'll know about him.

Garnet Bailey and Mark Bavis worked for the Los Angeles Kings. You can call the Kings front office at 213-742-7100. Call them. Then you'll know about their two dead scouts.

because I study what destroyed the World Trade Center.

Not very well.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Right on, Clayton! Correct. You're the only one who gets a good grade on this topic.

We disagree about TV Video Fakery, most likely, but at least you got that part exactly right.

We don't really disagree. I realize that real planes would have brought about too many contingencies into the event. Pilot error. Individuals late for the take off. Interception. The planes had to hit their targets precisely in a timely manner. The contingencies were avoided.

The buildings were armed to be destroyed. They had to be set off and the "evidence" destroyed.

 

[Kid Eager]

We don't really disagree. I realize that real planes would have brought about too many contingencies into the event. Pilot error. Individuals late for the take off. Interception. The planes had to hit their targets precisely in a timely manner. The contingencies were avoided.

The buildings were armed to be destroyed. They had to be set off and the "evidence" destroyed.

*Obviously*.....

 

[Disbelief]

LOL

You're saying they build skyscrapers out of steel instead of aluminum
because steel is cheaper than aluminum? LOLOLOLOL

It's why they build most cars out of steel, rather than aluminum too.

 

[SUSpilot]

It can damage it enough to render it unusable, so that's destroyed in my book.

Nope. Try again.

 

[SUSpilot]

Here's your problem, you're trying to ignore the planes.

Are you going to admit you are wrong about the NTSB and reconstructing planes?

Are you going to admit that Mark Bingham saying his full name on the phone to his mother is not strange. She didn't think it was.

Are you going to admit that a small prop-plane is not a worthy comparison to 500mph 767s?

You ignored mine and beachnut's responses to your 26 reasons.

Heck, is she going to tell me why she disagrees with my refutation of her points regarding navigating an airplane on a clear ay?

To Tracy: before you hold forth on how impossible it was for the hijackers to fly from Boston to New York, remember that you're talking to someone who teaches people how to fly. You better be ready to defend your answer rigorously. When you're done, I'll let you know how many ground and flight hours it typically takes to learn the basic skills required (to those that know, don't give up the answer - I want her thoughts first).

 

[beachnut]

It was thicker than four inches, but what are you talking about? How would you characterize the construction of the south wall of WTC 2?

Be sure to ignore some alloys of Al are stronger than steel.


The steel was as thin as 1/4 inch. No wonder you fail, you don't have a clue what the WTC was made of. Zero evidence lots of woo.

Heck, is she going to tell me why she disagrees with my refutation of her points regarding navigating an airplane on a clear ay?

To Tracy: before you hold forth on how impossible it was for the hijackers to fly from Boston to New York, remember that you're talking to someone who teaches people how to fly. You better be ready to defend your answer rigorously. When you're done, I'll let you know how many ground and flight hours it typically takes to learn the basic skills required (to those that know, don't give up the answer - I want her thoughts first).

You expect someone who thinks steel turned to foam will understand anything real...

A kid with zero training could fly the planes into the WTC. They could follow roads, get low and go special "IFR"; i follow roads...

You take the plane and head east, hit the ocean fly south until you see the biggest buildings in NYC.

Any method could work on a clear day. Someone who has insane claims and idiotic fantasies is not going to comprehend reality.

I would use a GPS, as I have for real to back up VORs etc.

 

[dafydd]

....

this is a joke, right?

Yes.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

OK. There is undoubtedly debris falling down from the building. It came after the explosion.

Not all of it.

I'm talking about after the object passed into the building but before the explosion.

So am I.

If it had been a real plane really crashing into the south face of WTC 2, you would have seen evidence of that collision in all the videos of the events, and you don't.

I do. What's your problem?

Yeah, debris fell from the building, but after the explosion. The explosion was real. A collision did not take place before the explosion.

Fantasy denialism. The expolsion you saw was the fuel exploding after it was mixed with air in the building. And it was mixed with air because the plane was smashed to pieces as it crashed into and through the building.

 

[Resume]

We don't really disagree. I realize that real planes would have brought about too many contingencies into the event. Pilot error. Individuals late for the take off. Interception. The planes had to hit their targets precisely in a timely manner. The contingencies were avoided.

The buildings were armed to be destroyed. They had to be set off and the "evidence" destroyed.

Unevidenced hooey of the most ridiculous order.

 

[WTC Dust]

Heck, is she going to tell me why she disagrees with my refutation of her points regarding navigating an airplane on a clear ay?

To Tracy: before you hold forth on how impossible it was for the hijackers to fly from Boston to New York, remember that you're talking to someone who teaches people how to fly. You better be ready to defend your answer rigorously. When you're done, I'll let you know how many ground and flight hours it typically takes to learn the basic skills required (to those that know, don't give up the answer - I want her thoughts first).

I say it's "unlikely" not "impossible".

 

[beachnut]

Anti-science claims fail, proof; terrorists fly 2 aircraft into WTC

Steel wins in a contest of aluminum vs. steel, at the supposed velocity of the plane and the actual thickness of the metals involved.

An aluminum plane might be able to puncture through a paper thin sheet of steel and keep on trucking, but the exterior steel beams of the WTC were much thicker than that.

Some Aluminum alloys are stronger than some steel alloys. You forgot to research your lie, your fantasy based on ignorance of materials and physics.

The shell of the WTC where the aircraft hit were as thin as 1/4 inch. Not at thick as the Aluminum aircraft parts.

The Aircraft engine is not Aluminum.
The Aircraft landing gear are made of steel.

Delusional no plane claims based on nonsense and no physics, BUSTED. 4236 days debunked.

Your posts above are off topic.

 

[SUSpilot]

I say it's "unlikely" not "impossible".

OK - "unlikely". How much training would it require, in your humble opinion?

 

[WTC Dust]

OK - "unlikely". How much training would it require, in your humble opinion?

I do not have an opinion. I know my high school buddy trained for years to become a pilot. He started out in small little Cesnas in high school, but did not graduate into jet planes until after college.

That's my only data point.

 

[BasqueArch]

LOL

You're saying they build skyscrapers out of steel instead of aluminum
because steel is cheaper than aluminum? LOLOLOLOL

HAHAHAHA
yes.

"Material Costs: Market Rate (fluctuates daily-call for quote)​

Aluminum= approximately $10/pound; varies per grade​

Steel=approximately $1.50/pound; varies per grade"​

Also the 14x14x.25 steel perimeter columns were 93% air.

HeeHeeHee