Proof of Life After Death!!

[jsfisher]

Yes, I forgot that one...I did originally think the tickets were bought. It was my mistake. But as you'll see in the COMMENTS after my blog...the COMMENTS I keep insisting you MUST read...the story was CORRECTED. By me AND my brother.
Believe me. Don't believe me. Whatever. Now I know how JE feels.

Did you not previously emphasize you had written up the blog article the very next day? Was that not an attempt to fend off criticism that recollections deteriorate with time?

Now, you seem to be arguing the opposite. Why is that?

 

[meg]

Did you not previously emphasize you had written up the blog article the very next day? Was that not an attempt to fend off criticism that recollections deteriorate with time?

Now, you seem to be arguing the opposite. Why is that?

No. She wrote the blog article 2 + years after the JE show.

 

[OccamJr2]

Despite my instinct that tells me to run and never look back, I will turn around, like Lot’s wife (or better yet, Robin’s brother) and will answer a few inquiries from posters on the thread. The John Edward reading was held in NYC and the paper I was perusing was the New York Times. There were numerous pages in the theater section that day and there were ads for countless Broadway and Off-Broadway shows starring myriad well-known actors, older and younger, male and female, from both movies and television. The advertisement for Valerie Harper’s play was actually one of the smaller ones which, upon reflection, may be the reason the show closed so darn quickly!

For those of you dismissing the “significant” connection John told me I had with her as actually being insignificant and supporting his own words of it not being about my simply liking her, I would normally agree. Except that I actually do consider it, in context, quite significant, even profound. Merely hours earlier, I made a conscious decision to call my friend specifically about Valerie Harper and then proceeded to have a 15 minute conversation about Valerie Harper, why Valerie Harper hadn’t been in the public eye for so long, how surprisingly young Valerie Harper seemed to look (at least in the small, photo-shopped ad!) and hoping to find a mutually agreeable date soon to buy tickets to see Valerie Harper’s play because we both appreciated Valerie Harper so much. I don’t recall having having had such an extended conversation about Valerie Harper since, oh, about the time of Rhoda’s wedding in 1974. Why did they ever let her get divorced anyway? So I’m not sure how one could dismiss that as insignificant, again, in context of what transpired THAT SAME DAY with John Edward insisting I had a recent Valerie Harper connection. And all the details I have just regaled you with I hadn’t shared with my sister which is why her initial blog comments about Valerie Harper may have been confusing, especially concerning the purchase of tickets. Who knew that three years later I would need to defend the minutiae of every moment of every action on that fateful day to a benevolent group of skeptics on some heretofore unknown to-me website?

And I must say I do think it’s a rather facile position to fall back on when trying to explain phenomenon like this to declare that’s it’s simply the subject’s memory of the event that is faulty. While I’m no Marilu Henner (another 70’s sitcom star) in the memory department, I’m not in Aunt Clara (Bewitched) territory yet either.
And, again, maybe in the end all this is like Resume said - “cool story, bro”, but what if it’s so much more?

 

[Pixel42]

And I must say I do think it’s a rather facile position to fall back on when trying to explain phenomenon like this to declare that’s it’s simply the subject’s memory of the event that is faulty.

What's facile is pretending that anyone's said this. Faulty memory is just one of the many factors that needs to be considered before reaching a conclusion about the likeliest explanation of such experiences. Try reading Garette's post listing 7 such factors again, which you ironically already seem to have forgotten.

 

[Resume]

And, again, maybe in the end all this is like Resume said - “cool story, bro”, but what if it’s so much more?

What if me auntie had balls . . ?

You know who likes the "what if" game? John Edward, and people like him. Barnum recognized that credulity was an eternal revenue stream and he gave people what they want. Edward gives people what they want, and even better for him, people tell him what they want to hear and all he has to do is repackage it for consumption.

Or say "keep that for later," like a crumb in a beard.

 

[jsfisher]

No. She wrote the blog article 2 + years after the JE show.

Egad! You are right (of course). I'd crossed information from this thread with another blog I'd read with a similar predisposition.

Just goes to show....

 

[carlitos]

And I must say I do think it’s a rather facile position to fall back on when trying to explain phenomenon like this to declare that’s it’s simply the subject’s memory of the event that is faulty.

Your faulty memory was a key element of the event itself.

Robin
8:33 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Hope you got some sleep As an interesting aside...when my brother was standing up and John told him that my Dad says he has a Valerie Harper connection...my dopey but loveable brother didn't make the connection as to what had just happened a few hours before at my Mom's house. He told John he had no connection to Valerie Harper! John persisted but to no avail. Wasn't till the next day the light went on in my brother's brain...he called me and explained what happened at my Mom's and then said to me..."Do you think John could have meant that?" Good lord. We still laugh about it. Also have another incredible John validating story from that night involving a stranger who has since become a friend...

...

So I’m not sure how one could dismiss that as insignificant, again, in context of what transpired THAT SAME DAY with John Edward insisting I had a recent Valerie Harper connection.

So how did you yourself dismiss it, and tell John Edward there was no connection?

 

[meg]

And, again, maybe in the end all this is like Resume said - “cool story, bro”, but what if it’s so much more?

But what is if it is so much less?

What if what you saw was a mentalist performing his mentalist act?

 

[deaman]

And, again, maybe in the end all this is like Resume said - “cool story, bro”, but what if it’s so much more?

Yes, what if it is so much more?

I have asked Robin1 several times what she plans to do now that she has found a channel to the dead and has proven that there is life after death. This is monumental to say the least.

What is your next action? Will you be consulting JE everyday? What questions will you answer? Will you pay JE a portion of your check each week?

What exactly will you do now?

Robin1 would not answer. Thank goodness for you, OccamJr2.

 

[halleyscomet]

Test: Throw a needle in a random direction. Ther wear a blind. Find it!
No magnets allowed. If you do, then.... You are proving ESP! Wonderful...

Watch your fingers....

How is that different than the time my father stepped on a knitting needle and needed pliers to extract it?

You don't need ESP to get poked with a needle if you step on it or put your hand on it.

Most analogies break down with scrutiny, but that one never held together in the first place.

 

[pakeha]

For your consideration, his family actually contradicts his recollection...

Ouch.

No, you embellished your story to make it more impressive -- "My brother had just bought tickets to her Broadway show" - it's right there in your blog. After people hypothesized that somehow JE might be doing a hot read, having found out about the ticket purchase, then the story changed to "no tickets were ever purchased or charged that afternoon." Then in further comments, the Valerie Harper thing evolved to a "recent" connection.



I had dismissed "paid shill" hypothesis the same as everyone, but I'm starting to doubt myself.

Not everyone. There are a number of us who think the shill hypothesis is spot on.

 

[Resume]

Not everyone. There are a number of us who think the shill hypothesis is spot on.

Robin claims she's gonna enlighten us on her agenda, so . . .

 

[Robin1]

I hope that when people read my blog it opens up their mind to new possibilities...and that doesn't mean I expect everyone to agree with me. Death is something we all have in common...what could be more fascinating than an answer to the question of is there life after death? And what could be more hopeful , peaceful, comforting and uplifting if that answer is really a YES. I do believe our deceased loved ones are able to give us signs to let us know they are well and watching over us. The "slippers" sign is just one of many that I've had...just as unexplainable. Just to show you how skeptical I really am there are certain signs I've gotten or information about me that I purposely will never make public ( in any forum)...because there really does need to be unknowns and "can't find outs" in your life to prove that a medium is real. I know you all are bending over backwards to explain John knowing about my refrigerator or my brother's Valerie Harper connection...but I do believe the truth can sometimes be as simple as it seems...John Edward can communicate with those who have crossed over (I hate to say dead cause they're not). For example, based on my descriptions in my blog and comments and posts on this thread of what actually happened , none of you have been able to explain to me (successfully in my mind) what I believe to be unknowable to John. You all gave me possible scenarios to explain how you think John did what he did ...all of which I had carefully considered and DISMISSED (well before this blog) as not being the case in my reading with John Edward...I weighed the evidence and believe ..ok...know it is more probable that John really could communicate with my Dad than any attempts to prove otherwise. And I'm still waiting for an exact list of what I charged on my credit card from anyone here. : ) But believe me it goes way beyond that. So while some of you think my new refrigerator or my brother's Valerie Harper connection are insignificant facts for my Dad to communicate to John...it is these exact unknowable seemingly "insignificant" things that PROVE to me my father is well and able to see what is going on in his loved ones everyday lives. These "insignificant" facts mean the world to us. So if by spreading links to my blog I make people think or hope or believe...well that little bit of Light can go a long , long way.

Resume, as promised, you can find out what my "agenda" truly is by reading the above, which was originally posted by me over 4 months ago. That "agenda" still stands.

 

[deaman]

Oh good, there you are Robin1. Hello.

Maybe you could answer my queries which i previously directed to your brother.

Yes, what if it is so much more?

I have asked Robin1 several times what she plans to do now that she has found a channel to the dead and has proven that there is life after death. This is monumental to say the least.

What is your next action? Will you be consulting JE everyday? What questions will you answer? Will you pay JE a portion of your check each week?

What exactly will you do now?

 

[dafydd]

Robin and Occam, why doesn't JE get in touch with the victims of unsolved murders and bring the perpetrators to book? He could do some good instead of passing on waffle about fridges and suchlike.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Robin,You get a chance to see my video of John Edward and James Praagh buddy up yet?

 

[Resume]

Resume, as promised, you can find out what my "agenda" truly is by reading the above, which was originally posted by me over 4 months ago. That "agenda" still stands.

Originally Posted by Robin1
I hope that when people read my blog it opens up their mind to new possibilities...and that doesn't mean I expect everyone to agree with me. Death is something we all have in common...what could be more fascinating than an answer to the question of is there life after death? And what could be more hopeful , peaceful, comforting and uplifting if that answer is really a YES. I do believe our deceased loved ones are able to give us signs to let us know they are well and watching over us. The "slippers" sign is just one of many that I've had...just as unexplainable. Just to show you how skeptical I really am there are certain signs I've gotten or information about me that I purposely will never make public ( in any forum)...because there really does need to be unknowns and "can't find outs" in your life to prove that a medium is real. I know you all are bending over backwards to explain John knowing about my refrigerator or my brother's Valerie Harper connection...but I do believe the truth can sometimes be as simple as it seems...John Edward can communicate with those who have crossed over (I hate to say dead cause they're not). For example, based on my descriptions in my blog and comments and posts on this thread of what actually happened , none of you have been able to explain to me (successfully in my mind) what I believe to be unknowable to John. You all gave me possible scenarios to explain how you think John did what he did ...all of which I had carefully considered and DISMISSED (well before this blog) as not being the case in my reading with John Edward...I weighed the evidence and believe ..ok...know it is more probable that John really could communicate with my Dad than any attempts to prove otherwise. And I'm still waiting for an exact list of what I charged on my credit card from anyone here. : ) But believe me it goes way beyond that. So while some of you think my new refrigerator or my brother's Valerie Harper connection are insignificant facts for my Dad to communicate to John...it is these exact unknowable seemingly "insignificant" things that PROVE to me my father is well and able to see what is going on in his loved ones everyday lives. These "insignificant" facts mean the world to us. So if by spreading links to my blog I make people think or hope or believe...well that little bit of Light can go a long , long way.

I've highlighted what I think was your agenda at the time. But isn't your blog off-line now?

 

[ExMinister]

Speaking of murder cases, not only that, but what could be more important than finding missing children?

The death of a child is unspeakably horrible, but a missing child, to my way of thinking, is even more horrifying.

What possible excuse do ANY of them have for not devoting 100% of their talents to work like this? For free?

They say it's just as important to provide comfort to the bereaved.

What a load of hooey.

If this type of gift were real, these gifted individuals would actually be able to bring the majority of murderers to justice and locate missing children and adults, and the bereaved would be more than comforted.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Speaking of murder cases, not only that, but what could be more important than finding missing children?

The death of a child is unspeakably horrible, but a missing child, to my way of thinking, is even more horrifying.

What possible excuse do ANY of them have for not devoting 100% of their talents to work like this? For free?

They say it's just as important to provide comfort to the bereaved.

What a load of hooey.

If this type of gift were real, these gifted individuals would actually be able to bring the majority of murderers to justice and locate missing children and adults, and the bereaved would be more than comforted.

The closest any psychics come to "being tested" is in their claims of having solved crimes. As you know, though, it's usually worded as "worked with multiple law enforcement organizations in solving crimes" which, upon investigation, turns out to mean they phoned in a tip or were called back but never did a damned thing. Every single instance I've seen of these claims being investigated has shown that they had nothing to do with the solution.

Sylvia Browne's most infamous and repulsive failures were related to her trying to give spiritual leads in such real cases. I was always curious as to whether these were intentional wild guesses that she assumed would pass unnoticed if she was wrong (as usual), or if these charlatans sometimes get caught up in their own b.s. and actually go "delusional" every now and then. I think a strong case could be made for the latter.

 

[torifrog]

And yes. Been there too. Even when you tell folks out front that it is an illusion, some of them will not believe you.

Is it possible that sometimes they don't want to believe you? Certainly seems somewhat true in regards to the belief in psychic abilities many people hold (witness audience sizes for JE et al).

I'm also curious to see Robin and OccamJr's reactions to the Derren Brown video posted earlier in this thread.