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pakeha said:
Thanks for clearing that up.
So it's personal revelation that trumps scripture, then?
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I guess you could make that claim if you wanted to deliberately leave out vital context and stretch the meaning of words, but I'm not sure what the purpose would be.

I'd say a more accurate statement would be: personal revelation doesn't trump scripture, except for the rare times that the prophet claims to receive revelation for the whole church telling him to alter scripture, though church members actually call that just "revelation," not "personal revelation."

Yes, scripture-altering revelation supposedly comes to the prophet first alone rather than to a group, so in that sense it's "personal," and each member who sustains it in a vote would also theoretically receive "personal" revelation to agree.

But if you asked the average LDS member, I think he or she would say that "personal revelation" can never trump scripture, because the LDS-jargon meaning of "personal revelation" only refers to things like should I go on a mission, should I have another kid, etc.--things they have stewardship over, not church-wide things like scripture.

Again, that's contingent on my understanding the church's rules correctly, and hopefully others can correct that if I've got it wrong.
 
Pup said:
I guess you could make that claim if you wanted to deliberately leave out vital context and stretch the meaning of words, but I'm not sure what the purpose would be.

I'd say a more accurate statement would be: personal revelation doesn't trump scripture, except for the rare times that the prophet claims to receive revelation for the whole church telling him to alter scripture, though church members actually call that just "revelation," not "personal revelation."

Yes, scripture-altering revelation supposedly comes to the prophet first alone rather than to a group, so in that sense it's "personal," and each member who sustains it in a vote would also theoretically receive "personal" revelation to agree.

But if you asked the average LDS member, I think he or she would say that "personal revelation" can never trump scripture, because the LDS-jargon meaning of "personal revelation" only refers to things like should I go on a mission, should I have another kid, etc.--things they have stewardship over, not church-wide things like scripture.

Again, that's contingent on my understanding the church's rules correctly, and hopefully others can correct that if I've got it wrong.
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The bosom burning isn't infallible then.
 
tsig said:
The bosom burning isn't infallible then.
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Well, the "burning bosom" as Pup has mentioned, is generally for new converts letting them know the church is true. So clearly it's fallible, since it's obvious that the BoM is a silly, badly-written Bible fanfic.

Personal revelation, as it has been described to me, is simply a "knowing" that what you're asking about is the correct answer. Not burning, just a quiet acceptance (the "still, small voice" is a big thing in the Mormon church.) Of course, that's just your brain telling itself what it wants to hear, so if you're wondering, for example, if you should take a new job offer, you'll probably get the answer you want, and then say God told you to when you prayed to him.
 
I was married in the Los Angeles temple. "Sealed in the temple" as per the Mormon parlance.

In the six month previous to that marriage I was seeing five different women and considering all of them as marriage partners. All were Mormon, too!

I remember asking god which one I should marry? The answer came to me that I should choose the one that pleased me the most. Additionally, I felt that god would not pick my wife for me because it was a choice for which I would have to take responsibility.

I now feel that I just made this revelation up. It just seemed very common sensical.
 
deaman said:
I was married in the Los Angeles temple. "Sealed in the temple" as per the Mormon parlance.

In the six month previous to that marriage I was seeing five different women and considering all of them as marriage partners. All were Mormon, too!

I remember asking god which one I should marry? The answer came to me that I should choose the one that pleased me the most. Additionally, I felt that god would not pick my wife for me because it was a choice for which I would have to take responsibility.

I now feel that I just made this revelation up. It just seemed very common sensical.
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Thanks for that, deaman. I hope your marriage worked out and you were/are happy. Somehow in this long thread, I missed that you were Mormon at one point in your life. Apologies.
 
Empress said:
Thanks for that, deaman. I hope your marriage worked out and you were/are happy. Somehow in this long thread, I missed that you were Mormon at one point in your life. Apologies.
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Yes, I have been married to this very wonderful and beautiful woman for 19 years!!!! I feel I made the best choice I have ever made in my whole life on that point.

I so want to distance myself from the church that I do not easily come out and say yes, I was once a very faithful member of the church.

It is embarrassing to me.
 
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Pup said:
I guess you could make that claim if you wanted to deliberately leave out vital context and stretch the meaning of words, but I'm not sure what the purpose would be.

I'd say a more accurate statement would be: personal revelation doesn't trump scripture, except for the rare times that the prophet claims to receive revelation for the whole church telling him to alter scripture, though church members actually call that just "revelation," not "personal revelation."

Yes, scripture-altering revelation supposedly comes to the prophet first alone rather than to a group, so in that sense it's "personal," and each member who sustains it in a vote would also theoretically receive "personal" revelation to agree.

But if you asked the average LDS member, I think he or she would say that "personal revelation" can never trump scripture, because the LDS-jargon meaning of "personal revelation" only refers to things like should I go on a mission, should I have another kid, etc.--things they have stewardship over, not church-wide things like scripture.

Again, that's contingent on my understanding the church's rules correctly, and hopefully others can correct that if I've got it wrong.
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RE: this post and your previous post on this issue. This is my understanding also.
 
deaman said:
Yes, I have been married to this very wonderful and beautiful woman for 19 years!!!! I feel I made the best choice I have ever made in my whole life on that point.

I so want to distance myself from the church that I do not easily come out and say yes, I was once a very faithful member of the church.

It is embarrassing to me.
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I sure get the embarrassment.

Congrats on your upcoming china wedding anniversary! I'm very happy for the two of you!! :)
 
deaman said:
I was married in the Los Angeles temple. "Sealed in the temple" as per the Mormon parlance.

In the six month previous to that marriage I was seeing five different women and considering all of them as marriage partners. All were Mormon, too!

I remember asking god which one I should marry? The answer came to me that I should choose the one that pleased me the most. Additionally, I felt that god would not pick my wife for me because it was a choice for which I would have to take responsibility.

I now feel that I just made this revelation up. It just seemed very common sensical.
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Thanks for that.

I was also sealed in the LA Temple. Not married. I was one of the many good Mormon boys who was a virgin until I was 24 but still managed to get my then GF pregnant.
 
RandFan said:
Thanks for that.

I was also sealed in the LA Temple. Not married. I was one of the many good Mormon boys who was a virgin until I was 24 but still managed to get my then GF pregnant.
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So they sealed you for that?:eek: Sounds painful.
 
deaman said:
Yes, I have been married to this very wonderful and beautiful woman for 19 years!!!! I feel I made the best choice I have ever made in my whole life on that point.

I so want to distance myself from the church that I do not easily come out and say yes, I was once a very faithful member of the church.

It is embarrassing to me.
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...it should not be. I, for one, thank you for your honesty and openness. BTW, congratulations on 19 years!
 
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