LDS

[tsig]

"There has been no change in my position since the last time I changed my position."

We have always been at war with EastAsia, the war with WestAsia must be won.

 

[tsig]

Pretty damn arrogant, too.

Believing that the universe was made specially for you tends to arrogance.

 

[AdMan]

Hear counsel from living Prophets and Apostles from the 183rd Annual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, April 2013.
Consider this statement made by President Eyring during the Saturday morning session of General Conference:

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Let's not waste time on made-up nonsense.

Quit proselytizing with this garbage. You'll get nowhere with that here.

 

[Janadele]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

 

[Craig4]

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/new-temples-announced--cedar-city-utah-rio-de-janeiro-brazil

Hear counsel from living Prophets and Apostles from the 183rd Annual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, April 2013.

Consider this statement made by President Eyring during the Saturday morning session of General Conference:

“I am a witness of the resurrection of the Lord. And surely as if I had been there in the evening with the two disciples in the house on Emmaus road, I know that He lives as surely as did Joseph Smith when he saw the Father and the Son in the light of a brilliant morning in a grove of trees in Palmyra. This is the true Church of Jesus Christ. Only in the Priesthood keys held by President Thomas S. Monson is the power for us to be sealed in families; to live forever with our Heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus Christ… I so testify as a witness of the risen Savior and our Redeemer in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen”.

Yeah he's nobody and this is nothing. Smith was nobody.

 

[Craig4]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

Find any proof of swords or cultivated barley in the Pro Colombian Americas yet?

 

[John Jones]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

I'm telling.

 

[desertgal]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

Oh, Jesus. Shut up already.

 

[halleyscomet]

It's turtles all the way down.

And yet a good point was raised. Is there really anything that can distinguish Mormonism from Hermetic mysticism?

Janadele:
Does your god have any ability to stop cancer? Or is he helpless in the face of the wicked things people do?
Just a yes/no to each question, please.
It's a very simple concept: either you agree with the suggestion that your god has the ability to stop cancer, in which case the naswer is 'yes', or you don't agree, in which case the answer is 'no'

She HAS answered this question, just in a roundabout way.

It's important to remember as noted elsewhere in this thread that God is NOT the omniscient, omnipresent, all-powerful being depicted by Christianity and Islam. He is an ascended being who started off just like us, part of a chain of such beings. He is bound by laws that were set in place before he even existed.

The Mormon "god" is not so much a deity, as a CEO. His ability to interfere in the operations of Earth is clearly limited, largely by the laws which he must obey. Can he cure cancer? Possibly, but the laws that govern him forbid it beyond the occasional, personal, miracle. Can he feed the starving children in Africa who are dying through no (earthy) fault of their own? Probably not, as his powers seem to have been largely limited to creation and periodic bursts of destructive power.

I'm learning that LDS makes a lot more sense once you accept that their god is emasculated and impotent, more sound and fury than actual capability. His glory days are, quite literally, behind him.

 

[Pixel42]

Fools continue to believe nonsense even after it has been conclusively proved to be nonsense.

 

[dafydd]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

Tosh.

 

[halleyscomet]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

Well, that's hardly a civil approach to an attempt at honest discussion. I'm sorry you find some of the questions unpleasant, but this is not a Bible study for people who are easily offended. It's a skeptics forum where all religious beliefs are eviscerated, their dark corners exposed, their hypocrisies and inconsistencies discussed. If you are not up to the task of addressing the hard questions then I suggest to seek advice from someone who can.

I would also suggest that you are theologically out of your depth, struggling with questions that are, to paraphrase the President, "beyond your pay grade."

 

[Stomatopoda]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

Impossible to falsify, unlike most of the BoM. Congratulations on having more foresight than Joe Smith.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

So, having completely failed to provide any logical reason to conclude that Mormonism represents the true nature of the universe, and having completely ignored all valid logical reasons to conclude that Mormonism is just as false as any other mythological construct, the best you can come up with is, "Oh yeah? Well you'll get yours!".

I can think of few things more foolish than refusing to acknowledge that you believe a lie in the face of overwhelming evidence simply because you find the lie comforting.

 

[deaman]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

Wow Janadele. Who is the Fool?

 

[tsig]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

I'm sure you said that with a heavy heart, a twinge of righteousness and a full measure of self satisfaction.

 

[bruto]

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

Happy you.

 

[tsig]

And yet a good point was raised. Is there really anything that can distinguish Mormonism from Hermetic mysticism?



She HAS answered this question, just in a roundabout way.

It's important to remember as noted elsewhere in this thread that God is NOT the omniscient, omnipresent, all-powerful being depicted by Christianity and Islam. He is an ascended being who started off just like us, part of a chain of such beings. He is bound by laws that were set in place before he even existed.

The Mormon "god" is not so much a deity, as a CEO. His ability to interfere in the operations of Earth is clearly limited, largely by the laws which he must obey. Can he cure cancer? Possibly, but the laws that govern him forbid it beyond the occasional, personal, miracle. Can he feed the starving children in Africa who are dying through no (earthy) fault of their own? Probably not, as his powers seem to have been largely limited to creation and periodic bursts of destructive power.

I'm learning that LDS makes a lot more sense once you accept that their god is emasculated and impotent, more sound and fury than actual capability. His glory days are, quite literally, behind him.

The Mormon god clearly is not the god of Genesis since the MG is part of the universe not the creator of it. Since they say both the BoM and the bible are true I wonder if they notice the contradiction.

 

[halleyscomet]

The Mormon god clearly is not the god of Genesis since the MG is part of the universe not the creator of it. Since they say both the BoM and the bible are true I wonder if they notice the contradiction.

Mormons have their own version of what Christians call "The Bible" so it's possible their version of the Creation account rectifies this discrepancy. Can anyone who has read the Mormon version of the Bible speak to this point?

 

[Empress]

Mormons have their own version of what Christians call "The Bible" so it's possible their version of the Creation account rectifies this discrepancy. Can anyone who has read the Mormon version of the Bible speak to this point?

Just bits of it (there really isn't a lot of it IIRC), but enough to know that the Mormon/JS version of the Bible is really just the KJV with a few word changes. Mormons believe literally in the Genesis creation account (or both accounts, I guess I should say) and believe that Yahweh created this universe. His gods created his universe before him where Yahweh went through his trials of being a man and then being raised to god status.

It's just turtles all the way back.