Merged Continuation Part 2: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Rare Truth]

I haven't given up on you yet:



Once you admit you understand the point I'm making, I will give your question an honest answer.

I responded to a post of yours that was saying ever see blood runnin uphill and another, highlighted
" a nosebleed can begin high and deep within the nose and flow down the back of the mouth and throat"

with other medical crap and youtubes of nosebleeds.

Can't you just step back and answer the question for me simply?

Why the tapdancing? I don;t get you.

 

[phonebook]

Why the tapdancing? I don;t get you.

Oh, I'm the one tap dancing? Yeah...

Go through the exchange with me an Unabogie again about this. Tell me your honest thoughts about the point I'm trying to make, and then I will give your question an honest answer.

Until that happens, I will not be answering your question. If you want respect, you have to be prepared to give it as well.

 

[Unabogie]

Don't forget, George has a terrible memory, yet knew all the residents.

And fell down as soon as he was punched, but slid 40 feet on his back, while dropping his flashlight 50 feet away, while keeping his pants clean.

Damn, I keep leaving out some good ones.

 

[Rare Truth]

I give up.

Forget it. If you can't answer, that tells me what I need to know.

 

[phonebook]

Forget it. If you can't answer, that tells me what I need to know.

And me as well

 

[Cylinder]

So George is continuously screaming, being smothered, and taking blood down the back of his throat, all at the same time?

Ahhh, the old everything is required to happen at once gambit. Never seen that one here before.

 

[KatieG]

Ahhh, the old everything is required to happen at once gambit. Never seen that one here before.

All of this happened in about 40+ seconds. That's a lot of activity occurring in a very short time frame.

 

[batvette]

Zimmerman's account of the fight or assault or attempted murder do not match up with the wounds Zimmerman has recieved. Zimmerman claims he had his head slammed into the ground or sidewalk many times, he claimed that Trayvon hit him repeatedly in the face with punches that felt like bricks, yet his wounds tell a different story completelty. Zimmerman could have been treated entirely by Motrin. I've seen worse injuries treated that way.

Given the extent of his missing injuries, I'm extremely skeptical about Zimmerman's reasoning of why he decided to escalate to lethal force against Martin.

You have a certain expectation of what Zimmerman's wounds should be.

You are not an expert on the subject.

Your speculation will not be a part of his trial.

All that matters is that Zimmerman said he was being beaten and was scared. A witness corroborates this. There is no legal requirement for "X" number of injuries here.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

All of this happened in about 40+ seconds. That's a lot of activity occurring in a very short time frame.

That's the nature of physical violence.

 

[KatieG]

You have a certain expectation of what Zimmerman's wounds should be.

You are not an expert on the subject.

Your speculation will not be a part of his trial.

All that matters is that Zimmerman said he was being beaten and was scared. A witness corroborates this. There is no legal requirement for "X" number of injuries here.

Pot, meet kettle. None of us are experts. All we do here is speculate since we don't have all the information or access to the evidence the prosecution has.

 

[Dan O.]

All that matters is that Zimmerman said he was being beaten and was scared. A witness corroborates this. There is no legal requirement for "X" number of injuries here.

If that was all, the immunity hearing would be a slam dunk and there wouldn't be any need to go through the expense and trouble of a trial. Somehow I suspect that there is more to it.

 

[Rare Truth]

You have a certain expectation of what Zimmerman's wounds should be.

You are not an expert on the subject.

Your speculation will not be a part of his trial.

All that matters is that Zimmerman said he was being beaten and was scared. A witness corroborates this. There is no legal requirement for "X" number of injuries here.

Pay attention to the relevant law:

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

And these highlights:

...does not have a duty to retreat if
1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

Look up the legal definitions of those words, "reasonably" and "great bodily harm." There *are* actual specific legal definitions of those terms.

That's going to be a hurdle.

If you actually believe what you posted is a simple as that, then just about anyone in FLA can provoke a fist fight, pull out a gun, and as long as there are no witnesses, tada! Legal murder,. Scott free.

You might think that's all well and good, until it's you someone provokes, or your wife, or your kids.

Some forethought to what you imagine to be legal killing might be in order.

 

[Mister Earl]

Aye. Elvis, Phonebook, even if we agree to disagree, here, can you at least see, given all the contradictory information, why we might be suspicious of Zimmerman's claims? Can you see our side of this, even when not agreeing with it?

 

[johnny karate]

If that was all, the immunity hearing would be a slam dunk and there wouldn't be any need to go through the expense and trouble of a trial. Somehow I suspect that there is more to it.

No, that's not true because of riots and Al Sharpton and long, rambling rationalizations that I didn't really bother to read all of.

That makes much more sense than just simply admitting there is a legitimate case against Zimmerman.

 

[batvette]

If that was all, the immunity hearing would be a slam dunk and there wouldn't be any need to go through the expense and trouble of a trial. Somehow I suspect that there is more to it.

Who said anything about this only applying to an immunity hearing?

The question was whether:

Zimmerman's wounds were consistent with his and the witness' testimony.

 

[Rare Truth]

The question was whether:

Zimmerman's wounds were consistent with his and the witness' testimony.

Marginally.




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oh

 

[batvette]

No, that's not true because of riots and Al Sharpton and long, rambling rationalizations that I didn't really bother to read all of.

That makes much more sense than just simply admitting there is a legitimate case against Zimmerman.

So you feel that simply because the prosecutor pressed charges against Zimmerman this indicates a legitimate case?

I mean for sure, what public servant would not want the entire anger of the "justice for Trayvon" mobs to be focused solely on their person if they failed to prosecute?

I guess you don't want to read about all that, I dunno, common sense gob smacking you in the face, huh?

 

[johnny karate]

Yes, actually, he did.

Actually, no he didn't.

What he said was Zimmerman's injuries were "marginally consistent with a life-threatening episode".

He did not say they were consistent with what Zimmerman claimed.

On that point Serino said this:

Another thing too as far as 25 and 30 punches, I’ve consulted with a lot of people, not quite consistent with your injuries.

All of which is immaterial because:

A) Serino is not a medical professional. His assessment of Zimmerman's injuries don't matter now, and they certainly won't matter during the trial.

B) Serino is wrong anyway. The medical records clearly show that Zimmerman suffered no injuries consistent with a life-threatening episode, marginally or otherwise.

I can understand why TheL8Elvis wants to simplify it to just "Serino said it was consistent" because we all like to chalk one up on the "win" category for our "team" - it's like expecting President Obama to mention the fact that the bill he passed only passed by one vote, every single time he touts the fact that he passed it. The important thing is, it passed.

You guys can parse and manipulate all you want.

But when you're reduced to disingenuously portraying what a layperson had to say how about the severity of injures in order to bolster your argument, you've already lost that argument.

 

[johnny karate]

So you feel that simply because the prosecutor pressed charges against Zimmerman this indicates a legitimate case?

I mean for sure, what public servant would not want the entire anger of the "justice for Trayvon" mobs to be focused solely on their person if they failed to prosecute?

I guess you don't want to read about all that, I dunno, common sense gob smacking you in the face, huh?

There's these things called "motions for dismissal". They get filed and granted when there isn't evidence to support a criminal charge.

Zimmerman's attorney never bothered to file one.

There's also these things called "immunity hearings". They are an opportunity for those wrongly accused of murder to present their case for self-defense.

Zimmerman's attorney's passed on that, too.

So if anyone is railroading Zimmerman into a meritless trial, it's his attorneys.

 

[tsig]

There's these things called "motions for dismissal". They get filed and granted when there isn't evidence to support a criminal charge.

Zimmerman's attorney never bothered to file one.

There's also these things called "immunity hearings". They are an opportunity for those wrongly accused of murder to present their case for self-defense.

Zimmerman's attorney's passed on that, too.

So if anyone is railroading Zimmerman into a meritless trial, it's his attorneys.

It's all part of the strategy to give Z room to appeal on the basis of attorney incompetence.