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Proof of Life After Death!!

Actually, now that I'm thinking about it who does JE currently publicly, personally endorse, if anyone, as a medium? Not psychic only but psychic medium in particular? For instance if James Van Praagh or Joseph Tittel were being currently endorsed by JE as valid mediums that actually would make me question his authenticity. As well as his sanity.
 
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JE even addresses something like this in his own personal life. I'm not clear exactly but this is what I think happened. His Mom died of cancer and from what I remember she had symptoms but ignored them until it was too late. If she had gone to the doctor sooner she may have been saved. JE couldn't understand why he didn't know it, why his spirit guides didn't give him a heads up that could have saved his Mom's life. Of course I forget what he said about what he later came up with was the reason why. I know he addressed it in one of his books and I know even recently he addressed it on tv in an interview. I will try to find.

Yes. I would say those things are similar. John Edward dedicated his first book to a known fraud for the same reason he didn't know his mother was ill.

Because he, like Sylvia Browne, is a fraud. He has no special psychic powers.
 
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it who does JE currently publicly, personally endorse, if anyone, as a medium? Not psychic only but psychic medium in particular? For instance if James Van Praagh or Joseph Tittel were being currently endorsed by JE as valid mediums that actually would make me question his authenticity. As well as his sanity.

Edward mentioned (favorably) Char Margolis several times in his newsletters. I asked you what you thought of her back in January, but you didn't reply.
 
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it who does JE currently publicly, personally endorse, if anyone, as a medium? Not psychic only but psychic medium in particular? For instance if James Van Praagh or Joseph Tittel were being currently endorsed by JE as valid mediums that actually would make me question his authenticity. As well as his sanity.

Yes! That is EXACTLY what I am talking about. That's what happened to me when I heard about Sylvia Browne. She IS also a medium, BTW. But that was back in 1999 anyway. Might be interesting to see who he is currently endorsing.
 
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Which is not to say that mediums have no knowledge. They do. The skilled ones have a great amount of very real, very testable knowledge. And anyone can learn this knowledge they have. It requires, though, that you disregard the books they write at the height of their game. Instead, you need to read the same books that they did to get started. These are not in the paranormal section where you like to shop. They are over in the Hobbies and Crafts/ How to Perform Magic Tricks section. And there are more over in the Psychology section. These have titles like "How to Persuade People Who Don't Want to Be Persuaded" and "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" and "The Science of Influence"

Believing in mediums will lead you nowhere. Learning about mediums will gain you actual knowledge. You believing you know how to spot a fake every time really shows just how very little you know.

No one who actually knows a lot about this stuff thinks they can't be fooled.

Great post, meg!

So this reminds me. When John Edward published his first book, he included, in the dedication... Sylvia Browne...

Ouch!
 
Yes. I would say those things are similar. John Edward dedicated his first book to a known fraud for the same reason he didn't know his mother was ill.

Because he, like Sylvia Browne, is a fraud. He has no special psychic powers.

Right, and just to clarify, she was included in the dedication, it wasn't dedicated only to her. There was half a page or so full of names as I recall, and hers was one of them, with some statement about how she paved the way for the rest of them. It's been 10+ years since I read it, though.
 
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I checked out his web site today and he has something on there now called The Big 5. This is just a little too reminiscent of Sylvia's Inner Circle. For an annual fee you get to be part of this select group and could even win a free reading. Compare the two sites and you can see the similarities.

Before this, he had astrology stuff on there for a long time. That in itself is bad enough. Maybe even worse. You'd think the spirits on the other side would give him a little warning that astrology is bunk and he's backing the wrong horse.
 
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it who does JE currently publicly, personally endorse, if anyone, as a medium? Not psychic only but psychic medium in particular? For instance if James Van Praagh or Joseph Tittel were being currently endorsed by JE as valid mediums that actually would make me question his authenticity. As well as his sanity.

Well this video must be really akward for you then...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlwZWmu-bNM

Features James Randi to boot.
 
Well this video must be really akward for you then...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlwZWmu-bNM

Features James Randi to boot.

What's really awkward is how ****** Charles Grodin is as an interviewer.

But I do like the two phonies on the couch together; bunkum bookends beguiling the credulous for profit for three decades.

Hey Robin, what do you think about your buddy cuddling up to Van Praagh?
 
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I don't see how that video indicates anything about the relationship between JE and Van Praagh. So they were interviewed together?
 
I don't see how that video indicates anything about the relationship between JE and Van Praagh. So they were interviewed together?

Well if you were a real medium would you want to sit next to some second rate fraud?
[Note: Going by what robin has said]

Most likely not.
 
JE even addresses something like this in his own personal life. I'm not clear exactly but this is what I think happened. His Mom died of cancer and from what I remember she had symptoms but ignored them until it was too late. If she had gone to the doctor sooner she may have been saved. JE couldn't understand why he didn't know it, why his spirit guides didn't give him a heads up that could have saved his Mom's life. Of course I forget what he said about what he later came up with was the reason why. I know he addressed it in one of his books and I know even recently he addressed it on tv in an interview. I will try to find.

C'mon! How can you type something like this without giggling? At what point does your defense of the indefensible make you actually stop and wonder about things?

Clearly, the spirits couldn't be bothered warning people about avoidable deaths,....

They're too busy giving out free Big Macs and checking on the appliance shopping of their loved ones.
 
Here, Robin. As part of the fairness doctrine, I found an on-the-surface, well wrought defense of John Edward. It's by a professional author, so he knows how to structure things and makes a very convincing case to the neophyte.

(I'm sure some of us pesky debunkers will note certain classic propaganda techniques in play in the wording and the structure, but as most readers are casual readers and tend to want to agree with someone who presents their case in an orderly fashion*, something like this is very convincing.)

http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/some-thoughts-on-john-edwar.html


*Think of that horrid monologue of a summary that Oliver Stone gives in JFK. Anyone who hadn't followed the JFK Assassination buffoonery would be quite convinced - due to the craftsmanship. Classic propaganda.
 
Robin, if we are here to learn, doesn't that mean it is important and good to learn everything we can? Particularly about science, mathematics and logic, - those fields which have forwarded the biggest advances in our human knowledge?

I mean, I actually rather agree with you, though for different reasons. I think we are here to learn, too. Though I tend to think about it more like this. We evolved to have these great big brains, it's a shame not to use them to their fullest capacity.

The sciences let us do that. In science, every new discovery builds on past knowledge. And every new discovery causes even more discoveries. We can say, "well, if X is true, then we ought to be able to do [thing that builds on X] If it works, great, now we know even more about X. If it doesn't work, then we know that our idea of what X is might not be accurate.

For instance:
  • 1546 Fracastoro figured out that diseases could be contageous
  • 1623 Caspar Bauhin devised method for classifying plants
  • 1674 Leeuwenhoek described bacteria and protozoa
  • 1717 Thomas Fairchild produced a hybrid by crossing dianthus and carnation
  • 1796 Edward Jenner: first smallpox vaccination
  • 1819 Shirreff begins series of experiments on hybridization of wheat
  • 1881 The first hybrid tomato
  • 1892 Iwanowsk discovered viruses
  • 1928 Alexander Flemming discovered penicillin


And now, because of all these folks (and many, many steps and people in between) not only are many human diseases no longer life threatening, but now I can even plant in my garden a tomato plant hybrid that is resistant to tobacco mosaic virus, bacterial speck, and fusarium wilt (a virus, a bacterial infection, and a fungus). This is so cool! This is huge!

Because the Mesopotamians invented 0, binary code got figured out in the 1600s, which led to computers getting invented in the 20th century, which led to you and me having this conversation on this forum right now. How friggin cool is that?


What does belief in mediums get us, Robin? If this is knowledge, then what are the if/thens?

Since the Fox sisters first started cracking their toes and pretending there were ghosts back in the 1840s, thousands and thousands of people have sworn that they have the ability to talk to the dead.

In all these thousands of mediums in 200 years, why has no medium ever been able to say.. solve a murder case? Or find a missing person's dead body? Or channel Albert Einstein and explain some complex physics problem? Or talk in a language the medium did not know (but the dead person did)? Or talk to any of our founding fathers and ask them to explain how they felt about certain articles in the constitution? Or say Houdini's secret phrase? Or even just get Gramma's super secret yellow cake recipe?

NO ONE. NOT ONE SINGLE MEDIUM. IN 200 YEARS.

Whenever experiments have been set up that remove the ability for trickery, remove the ability of the medium to "fish" with questions, and remove the confirmation bias and selective attention of the receiver, the amazing medium power simply disintegrates. Vanishes.

That's the difference between knowledge and belief. Knowledge is constantly growing and developing. Knowledge is testable. Knowledge can be built upon. Belief is stagnant. Knowledge leads to more learning. Belief requires you to stop learning. And in this particular case, your belief requires you to intentionally ignore a vast amount of very real and very testable knowledge.

Which is not to say that mediums have no knowledge. They do. The skilled ones have a great amount of very real, very testable knowledge. And anyone can learn this knowledge they have. It requires, though, that you disregard the books they write at the height of their game. Instead, you need to read the same books that they did to get started. These are not in the paranormal section where you like to shop. They are over in the Hobbies and Crafts/ How to Perform Magic Tricks section. And there are more over in the Psychology section. These have titles like "How to Persuade People Who Don't Want to Be Persuaded" and "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" and "The Science of Influence"

Believing in mediums will lead you nowhere. Learning about mediums will gain you actual knowledge. You believing you know how to spot a fake every time really shows just how very little you know.

No one who actually knows a lot about this stuff thinks they can't be fooled.

Nommed
 
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Well done!

I checked out his web site today and he has something on there now called The Big 5. This is just a little too reminiscent of Sylvia's Inner Circle. For an annual fee you get to be part of this select group and could even win a free reading. Compare the two sites and you can see the similarities.

Before this, he had astrology stuff on there for a long time. That in itself is bad enough. Maybe even worse. You'd think the spirits on the other side would give him a little warning that astrology is bunk and he's backing the wrong horse.

Astrology?
Really?
 

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