Proof of Life After Death!!

[Dumb All Over]

Once again, Mike, you have completely missed my point.

Let me put it this way. Suppose someone followed your advice precisely, and instead of receiving knowledge about life after death received instructions from God to demonstrate God's anger with a certain nation by flying a plane into one of its most important buildings. How would you go about persuading this person that that is not the right thing to do? You have already declared that the knowledge obtained in this manner is bound to be correct. There are no facts, no arguments that you can use to counter it because this person's belief was not obtained by facts or arguments. There is no test in reality for it.

Maybe I missed it. Would one of you kind folks please direct me to Mike's direct reply to the above post? Thanks.

 

[Kid Eager]

I already did! But blind men cannot find a needle without a magnet!

Indeed, and a bird in the hand makes charades difficult to perform.

 

[Stray Cat]

Then.... You are absolutely "certain" of something...

I do not understand.... Can you be certain?

I can be as certain as it is possible to be about certain things and not about others... that's the way science works, it doesn't know everything yet.

My certainty is based upon supporting evidence, yours is apparently based upon knitting fog.

 

[Stray Cat]

Test: Throw a needle in a random direction. Ther wear a blind. Find it!
No magnets allowed. If you do, then.... You are proving ESP! Wonderful.

Have you hi-jacked this thread to demonstrate how many wrong posts you can make in one day?

How does finding a needle when blindfolded prove ESP?

More to the point, why do you keep avoiding answering people's relevant questions by posting diversionary guff like this?

 

[anazgnos]

Maybe I missed it. Would one of you kind folks please direct me to Mike's direct reply to the above post? Thanks.

Think he answered quite clearly here:

I ask again: if someone decided, after following the advice you have given to receive spiritual insight, that they were being told by God to commit mass murder how would you convince them they were wrong? Would you even try to convince them they were wrong?

Answer:

If someone says such stupidity I might think he need a shrink ASAP!
I might call 911!

One thing helping to understand Spiritual contact is: it NEVER would have to do anything with other things than, Love, Understanding, Compassion, Solidarity, Unselfishness, Trust, Happiness, Wisdom and Freedom.

Intellect is the one you can blame for instilling such destructive THOUGHTS. Ill intellectual machine.

A mind that "thinks to much" is the one prone to get such monstrous inspiration.

I suppose you get good inspiration most of the time, being a nice lady. When you get good inspiration, listed above, you are "listening" to the Higher Self. It does not matter how you call it.

If someone "listens" to the mean ideas you describe, he is "listening" to the lower self, call it devil, Satan, Chucky, etc.


Answered?

In other words, authentic spiritual revelations are recognizable because they conform to the observer's expectation of what authentic spiritual revelation looks like. Authentic spiritual revelation can only result in you thinking more like me, never in doing or believing something that I would disapprove of. If you come up with a different revelation than I did, it just shows you're doing it wrong.

 

[Dumb All Over]

Many thanks, anazgnos.

 

[Robin1]

Now I know how Mike felt about Ringling Brothers over here! I take a brief leave only to come back and find things have gone to hell in a handbasket! Seems to me we could all use a comedic break... Resume, what have ya got?
P.S. Kinda funny the whole "hell" reference, right?
P.P.S. Forget I asked.

 

[Resume]

Seems to me we could all use a comedic break... Resume, what have ya got?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256009

 

[meg]

Test: Throw a needle in a random direction. Ther wear a blind. Find it!
No magnets allowed. If you do, then.... You are proving ESP! Wonderful...

Watch your fingers....

Actually, I grew up with a mom that sewed, so I can say from years of experience that you have a very high probability of finding that needle just by walking barefoot across the carpet.

No ESP required.

 

[xterra]

Liars are many here but not me!

IS this the question?

I ask again: if someone decided, after following the advice you have given to receive spiritual insight, that they were being told by God to commit mass murder how would you convince them they were wrong? Would you even try to convince them they were wrong?

Answer:

If someone says such stupidity I might think he need a shrink ASAP!
I might call 911!

One thing helping to understand Spiritual contact is: it NEVER would have to do anything with other things than, Love, Understanding, Compassion, Solidarity, Unselfishness, Trust, Happiness, Wisdom and Freedom.

[...]
If someone "listens" to the mean ideas you describe, he is "listening" to the lower self, call it devil, Satan, Chucky, etc.

Miguelito,

Does your answer say that the Catholic Inquisition* was inspired by the Devil?


xterra


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisición

 

[Robin1]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256009

Not quite what I had in mind, Resume. Actually, ever since I put you on the spot to "be funny," I've been having traumatic flashbacks to my days at work on the party committee. Planned a few parties a year and without fail during each and every party meeting one of my coworkers would say, "Robin, you're funny. Think of some funny things we could do at the party!" Then everyone around the table would look at me and wait. And wait. And wait. And wait...
P.S. They're still waiting.

 

[pakeha]

I suppose the guild here consider all philosophers a bunch of mountebanks... Right?

Anyway, assuming skepticism is the "ideal" state of mind..... How boring it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And somehow you think this has something to do with the topic of this thread?

 

[Robin1]

Agreed and cosigned 100%

Honestly, I really don't get ...at all...why many of you wear the "I'm 100% certain..." badge so proudly. I don't think that's a smart way of thinking...at all. Certainly nothing to be proud of.

 

[Resume]

Honestly, I really don't get ...at all...why many of you wear the "I'm 100% certain..." badge so proudly. I don't think that's a smart way of thinking...at all. Certainly nothing to be proud of.

See, now that's kinda funny.

But on topic, what are you supposed to say when you're certain of something? "I'm certain but Robin doesn't think that's a smart way of thinking, so . . ?"

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Honestly, I really don't get ...at all...why many of you wear the "I'm 100% certain..." badge so proudly. I don't think that's a smart way of thinking...at all. Certainly nothing to be proud of.

Because they can? Same as why X amount of people plaster various stickers on their cars.

Yes I know how little you think of the fact I don't fall prey to TV frauds.

However my pride is a point of personal opinion if others agree then so be it.

 

[pakeha]

Honestly, I really don't get ...at all...why many of you wear the "I'm 100% certain..." badge so proudly. I don't think that's a smart way of thinking...at all. Certainly nothing to be proud of.

The world is full of strange things, Robin1, including people who think a half dozen is many.

So.
Back to the proof there's life after death, then?

 

[Robin1]

See, now that's kinda funny.

But on topic, what are you supposed to say when you're certain of something? "I'm certain but Robin doesn't think that's a smart way of thinking, so . . ?"

That was gold, Jerry, gold! Resume, I'm referring to the whole debate on the Joseph Tittel thread which started with Nay Sayer's proclamation that he is 100% certain each and every psychic and medium is a fraud. Then others agreed. I explained how you can never fairly and accurately evaluate a situation if you go into every new situation 100% certain of your conclusion before you've even begun, and yada, yada, yada, people are still doing it.

 

[Resume]

That was gold, Jerry, gold! Resume, I'm referring to the whole debate on the Joseph Tittel thread which started with Nay Sayer's proclamation that he is 100% certain each and every psychic and medium is a fraud. Then others agreed. I explained how you can never fairly and accurately evaluate a situation if you go into every new situation 100% certain of your conclusion before you've even begun, and yada, yada, yada, people are still doing it.

How can you accurately evaluate a phenomenon like so-called psychic ability using subjective (and perhaps non-existent) criteria like common sense or gut instinct?

Being fair doesn't mean engaging in confirmation bias to validate your favorite cold reader because he/she tells you things that make you happy.

Every alleged psychic I've ever encountered was indistinguishable from a carny cold reader, and oddly enough, the most financially successful were kinda crappy at it. I don't make excuses for them and neither should you.

 

[Stray Cat]

That was gold, Jerry, gold! Resume, I'm referring to the whole debate on the Joseph Tittel thread which started with Nay Sayer's proclamation that he is 100% certain each and every psychic and medium is a fraud. Then others agreed. I explained how you can never fairly and accurately evaluate a situation if you go into every new situation 100% certain of your conclusion before you've even begun, and yada, yada, yada, people are still doing it.

As 0% of psychics and mediums have ever been shown to be actually using psychic powers, then it is as safe as possible to say that every psychic and medium is a fraud*

I can be 100% certain that every psychic and medium to date has failed to show they have any psychic powers... that doesn't rule out one coming along tomorrow that does... If that happens, great, but I'm not going to cling to the hope that it will happen and live my life as if it's already happened. To date, psychic ability is indistinguishable from no psychic ability therefore if it does exist, it may as well not.


* I personally wouldn't use "fraud" as a catch all term because there are some who are simply deluded or suffering some other cognitive dysfunction.

 

[Robin1]

How can you accurately evaluate a phenomenon like so-called psychic ability using subjective (and perhaps non-existent) criteria like common sense or gut instinct?

Being fair doesn't mean engaging in confirmation bias to validate your favorite cold reader because he/she tells you things that make you happy.

Every alleged psychic I've ever encountered was indistinguishable from a carny cold reader, and oddly enough, the most financially successful were kinda crappy at it. I don't make excuses for them and neither should you.

I take it you are a member of the "I'm 100% Certain Club" too, then?
Et tu, Resume, et tu?