Merged Intermittent Fasting -- Good Idea or Not?

Oh, well done, Pixel42!
I've done a similar feat and 'treated' myself to pistachios last night.
Lots of pistachios.

Now, on to the next 3 kilos!
 
In my foolish youth, I fasted quite a bit, for spiritual reasons, as mentioned previously.
One of the more interesting phenomena that I observed, was a change in thought processes and sleep patterns.

Initially, one is ridiculously obsessed with thoughts of food. The normal routine has been upset.
One questions one's self as to the point of taking on an experiment that is fundamentally at opposition with the normal and sane urges of mind and body.

After a week, or less, hunger goes away...but time doesn't.
What to do, during those times, when normally, you'd be sitting down to a meal, with family and friends?

What to do with the need for less sleep?
(At least in my case, I simply couldn't sleep as long during a fast.)

So, in hindsight, fasting is an interesting experiment. It calls into the light all manner of previously unexamined aspects of habits taken for granted.

In my own case, I became aware of the degree to which I used food as a drug.
The amount required for adequate nutrition, and the amount required for a state of satiation and mental fulfillment, are quite different.

Hopefully, this makes a lick of sense to someone.
 
quarky said:
Um,

Makes a lick of sense to someone?





(sigh)
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Sure. I tried the same thing and so did some friends. It does change some priorities in your daily life, and leads to some new ways of observing things, even if you don't sustain it. As I said earlier, my main problem with it was that it is not conducive to safe work with dangerous tools.
 
quarky said:
In my foolish youth, I fasted quite a bit, for spiritual reasons, as mentioned previously.
One of the more interesting phenomena that I observed, was a change in thought processes and sleep patterns.

Initially, one is ridiculously obsessed with thoughts of food. The normal routine has been upset.
One questions one's self as to the point of taking on an experiment that is fundamentally at opposition with the normal and sane urges of mind and body.

After a week, or less, hunger goes away...but time doesn't.
What to do, during those times, when normally, you'd be sitting down to a meal, with family and friends?

What to do with the need for less sleep?
(At least in my case, I simply couldn't sleep as long during a fast.)

So, in hindsight, fasting is an interesting experiment. It calls into the light all manner of previously unexamined aspects of habits taken for granted.

In my own case, I became aware of the degree to which I used food as a drug.
The amount required for adequate nutrition, and the amount required for a state of satiation and mental fulfillment, are quite different.

Hopefully, this makes a lick of sense to someone.
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Would licking sense break a fast?
 
Skipping breakfast isn't really fasting, despite the name.

Beware all, fasting does not help you to lose weight permanently. It merely trains your body to lay down fat and prepare itself for the next time it doesn't get enough to eat. To lose weight permanently you need to eat less and get more exercise. Permanently.
 
icerat said:
I've heard this often, but have you got any research to back up that belief?
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There are numerous studies for medium-term calorie restriction that do show that, but I'm not sure about shorter fasts.
 
I fast permanently! No half way measures for me!

I completely eliminate Brussels Sprouts, Cream 'o Wheat, Liver, Tongue, and Scallops!

Now THAT'S a fast!
 
icerat said:
Is that the name of a peer-reviewed published journal? :D
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Obviously not! Have a fish around about it.

By the by, I watched Secret Eaters on channel 4 last night. It featured an overweight couple in Warrington UK who insisted their calorie intake was average. The husband was overweight, the wife was obese. After being caught out by secret cameras, including those at their friend's house, they had to confess to eating 2.5 times the normal calorie intake. That's the weird thing about people who are obese. All too often they fool themselves that they don't eat too much, when they do. There's something psychological and convictional going on there IMHO.
 
quarky said:
She has been run off by our collective attitude.
According to a PM I got.
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Ahhh, I assume it was our dogged insistence upon asking her questions and not accepting LDS copypasta in response.

Personally, I've come to the conclusion she was a troll. Her online identity is vague and inconsistent, she claimed to be a radio personality but there's no evidence online that she actually IS a radio personality, and her name appears to be derived from the Australian performer Jan Adele.

Still, her evasiveness resulted in others stepping up to answer the questions. While I didn't learn anything new or interesting from her, her efforts to spew LDS copypasta resulted in discussions that did teach me about the LDS.
 
Farsight said:
Obviously not! Have a fish around about it.

By the by, I watched Secret Eaters on channel 4 last night. It featured an overweight couple in Warrington UK who insisted their calorie intake was average. The husband was overweight, the wife was obese. After being caught out by secret cameras, including those at their friend's house, they had to confess to eating 2.5 times the normal calorie intake. That's the weird thing about people who are obese. All too often they fool themselves that they don't eat too much, when they do. There's something psychological and convictional going on there IMHO.
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Have fished around on it. While it's quite possible dieting contributes to weight gain, I'm yet to find any research supporting the idea that it's because it promotes lipogenesis. Rather, dieting may make you hungry (duh) and you binge eat.

There is some research on dietary compositions ( percentages of fats vs proteins vs carbs) and different genes, which is interesting, but again it's weight, not lipogenesis per se.

So far it's one of those "everybody knows" type of claims. Must have originated somewhere.
 
icerat said:
Have fished around on it. While it's quite possible dieting contributes to weight gain, I'm yet to find any research supporting the idea that it's because it promotes lipogenesis. Rather, dieting may make you hungry (duh) and you binge eat.

There is some research on dietary compositions ( percentages of fats vs proteins vs carbs) and different genes, which is interesting, but again it's weight, not lipogenesis per se.

So far it's one of those "everybody knows" type of claims. Must have originated somewhere.
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Ah, I wasn't interpreting "It merely trains your body to lay down fat" in that way. Making you hungrier than before in identical circumstances would be training your body to lay down fat.
 
icerat said:
Have fished around on it. While it's quite possible dieting contributes to weight gain, I'm yet to find any research supporting the idea that it's because it promotes lipogenesis. Rather, dieting may make you hungry (duh) and you binge eat.
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I'm pretty sure that's a factor!

Check out this article which says this:

"But scientific evidence increasingly points to a far deeper problem that confronts dieters: cutting out calories changes your metabolism and brain, so your body hoards fat and your mind magnifies food cravings into an obsession."

There's also this report:

"But could it be that dieting had made me fatter? Or, at the very least, that it had been a contributing factor? According to research published by scientists from the University of California this week, the answer is: absolutely.

...The Californian team analysed more than 30 studies of diets; one study found that a group of dieters ended up fatter than a control group who hadn't restricted their food at all."

I'm not sure why this is news to people. I learned that "dieting makes you fat" at my mother's knee. See this this journal letter from 2005 and this sixties paper on pig nutrition. It refers to an overshoot in lipid synthesis upon refeeding after food deprivation. Here's a more recent paper, which talks about "de novo lipogenesis" or DNL:

"...one might expect calorie restriction to reduce DNL, which is a wasteful energetic process. However, the opposite is observed. Calorie-restricted mice demonstrate a four-fold increase in adipose tissue DNL".

There's plenty out there. But I imagine that fat people, who won't even admit that they eat too much, aren't going to be taking much notice.
 
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