Proof of Life After Death!!

[MikeAparicio]

You were not clearly describing anything, you were just expressing vague, generally meaningless notions.

You're making it quite clear that your apparent belief in the afterlife is not based on anything concrete, except for your wishful thinking of course.
Nothing else ....

Oh! Of course there is deep meaning in what I say. The fact you cannot see it, or you don't want to see it does not mean there is no substance in the arguments.

Please understand I am very happy of your desire to think the way you do. I am not intending to change no one.

But the understanding I am speaking about is not like a pill you buy at the drug store or a "best seller" on how to do this or that.

It might take time. It can be as short as sitting quietly in front of a beautiful lake in the afternoon, stopping your incessant reasoning machine, listen to the natural things happening around and letting your Inner make you Feel what is it all about.

It might also take as long as your life, if the wild horses of your unstoppable intellect carriage are reluctant to rest, fearing "self" disappearance, as the intellect is pretending to be you!

 

[deaman]

I just said it but will gladly explain further:

First, by wishing it. Then strict discipline in pursuing your finding. Mental quietness, Deep inner observation. Putting ALL ideas in a mental drawer, not to discard them but just to accomplish mental solitude. Perseverance. Hope and Trust in your Inner Self.

That is it. Oh I forgot: Don't try to communicate it or put it in a book. It will go away and you will have to hunt again for it! (serious advice)

So you rule out all scripture. Good.

By "wishing it", you are beginning with the conclusion first, and then filling in the blanks to support your conclusion.

 

[Daylightstar]

Oh! Of course there is deep meaning in what I say. The fact you cannot see it, or you don't want to see it does not mean there is no substance in the arguments. ...

It's actually more like, only you think you can see 'the deep meaning' you wish is there.
You can not truly share with others what you think you see.

 

[Sideroxylon]

My lawyer wife, who deals with penal justice, frequently meets dangerous criminals and visit regularly several prisons to interview inmates.

She tells me it is mostly invariable those interns have no sense of spirituality, have no faith and reject any notion of God, LAD, or moral rectitude.

Others have a pathological deformation of spiritual concepts, same kind of deformations skeptic critics have on their rejected notions of God, LAD and Spirit. I would say their understanding of spirituality is either deformed or totally inaccurate.

I participate in several university boards where it is discussed the immoral aspects of spiritual skepticism and atheism because the general population requires strong faith in spiritual justice.

We strongly believe the moral destruction attempted by spreading out atheist theories is seriously damaging the moral foundation in the world.

I must insist I do not resent the individual rights to be a skeptic and to reject all beliefs, although it is impossible. What I do claim is: Spiritual subjects, faith and religion should be avoided as subjects for public skeptic spreading.

The social implications are invariable avoided by those supporting a strong skeptical position without consideration to side effects.

You wife's observations and inferences are a different debate.

And then you talk of faith ... Well take a look at the thread title above and you will see the claim made is one of proof. Anyway, let's get back to the question as to how you can verify your own personal experiences as good ways of knowing about the question of the existence of life after death. Its a tough task.

 

[MikeAparicio]

So you rule out all scripture. Good.

By "wishing it", you are beginning with the conclusion first, and then filling in the blanks to support your conclusion.

Scriptures, like I am posting or you are, can be as guides or suggestions and is up to oneself to get into it. I didn't say reading a book is bad. I said if you try to put in a book, or explain what I am being requested insistently to do, would not be a good thing to oneself, except if you want to be an avatar a priest or a martyr.

Wishing is always the first step for fruitful action.

You cannot have a job if you don't wish for it. Neither a girlfriend or boyfriend, a car, a spouse, a living, success, enlightenment.... Whatever.

Wish comes first. "Wanting is the first step to accomplishment".

I am not "supporting my conclusion"; I am the conclusion itself!

 

[deaman]

And what is with the thinly veiled inference that those who do not believe as you are not up to par, not worthy, close-minded.....

Does this humility come about with your secret personal knowledge that can't be written or described in any way?

I spoke to God this morning and I said:

Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit is MikeAparicio correct in his statements? Then, Heavenly Father told me, by the power of The Holy Spirit, "No Son, MikeAparicio is incorrect, and is misrepresenting me in an awful way. He is totally misrepresenting my love and care."

 

[kerikiwi]

It belongs to a total personal experience. It is the fruit of a great discipline, inner observation, mental quietness and effort. It is only a personal proof.

In fewer words, making stuff up.
If it is simply something that has been made up, why should anyone believe it?
There is nothing to discuss.

 

[MikeAparicio]

You wife's observations and inferences are a different debate.

And then you talk of faith ... Well take a look at the thread title above and you will see the claim made is one of proof. Anyway, let's get back to the question as to how you can verify your own personal experiences as good ways of knowing about the question of the existence of life after death. Its a tough task.

It can be as light as a breeze or tough as a hurricane!

Because the tile claims for proof is I came in to say: There is no way anybody can prove it to others. It is your own personal proof.

If you fail to see the connection between my wife's observations and "inferences" and the topic then I ask you excuse me for my tremendously bad English! So sorry!

 

[MikeAparicio]

In fewer words, making stuff up.
If it is simply something that has been made up, why should anyone believe it?
There is nothing to discuss.

Hey! Are you always looking for something to "believe"?

As I clearly implied: LAD is something cannot be discussed. It can only be talked about, but demanding or offering "proof" shows a lack of comprehension to the problem.

I think the worst mental attitude is asking: "Give me a proof so I can believe"...

Believing means accepting a fact without proof.

Once you have a clear proof you don't believe on it. You know it.

There are proofs which are only personal. Read my posts above, not just come in and grab the tail of the discussion.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Mike you have been missing the big question regarding personal experiences as a way of reaching truth.

Once again, Mike, you have completely missed my point.

Let me put it this way. Suppose someone followed your advice precisely, and instead of receiving knowledge about life after death received instructions from God to demonstrate God's anger with a certain nation by flying a plane into one of its most important buildings. How would you go about persuading this person that that is not the right thing to do? You have already declared that the knowledge obtained in this manner is bound to be correct. There are no facts, no arguments that you can use to counter it because this person's belief was not obtained by facts or arguments. There is no test in reality for it.

If you can offer a good answer to such a question, Mike, you will be doing something ground breaking in philosophy.

 

[Sideroxylon]

It can be as light as a breeze or tough as a hurricane!

Because the tile claims for proof is I came in to say: There is no way anybody can prove it to others. It is your own personal proof.If you fail to see the connection between my wife's observations and "inferences" and the topic then I ask you excuse me for my tremendously bad English! So sorry!

Again, Mike, how can you satisfy yourself that you have arrived at truth? That people have come up with varied and contradicting ideas based on this method is but one reason to consider it suspect.

 

[MikeAparicio]

And what is with the thinly veiled inference that those who do not believe as you are not up to par, not worthy, close-minded.....

Does this humility come about with your secret personal knowledge that can't be written or described in any way?

I spoke to God this morning and I said:

Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit is MikeAparicio correct in his statements? Then, Heavenly Father told me, by the power of The Holy Spirit, "No Son, MikeAparicio is incorrect, and is misrepresenting me in an awful way. He is totally misrepresenting my love and care."

Hey! Is this trolling and ranting? I don't know the exact meaning of the words!

but Deaman; you could write some nice Sunday morning TV scripts, for those programs where they put prerecorded laughter!!!!

I could even hear the Heavenly Father's loud deep voice, with echo and every other audio special FX!

 

[MikeAparicio]

Again, Mike, how can you satisfy yourself that you have arrived at truth? That people have come up with varied and contradicting ideas based on this method is but one reason to consider it suspect.

By the same method you believe you sweetheart is loving and faithful!

P.S. How do you now lot's of people came to contradictory conclusions on the subject?

Because they wrote about it? They published it? You see? Too bad I could not warn them not to do so!

 

[kerikiwi]

Hey! Are you always looking for something to "believe"?

As I clearly implied: LAD is something cannot be discussed. It can only be talked about, but demanding or offering "proof" shows a lack of comprehension to the problem.

I think the worst mental attitude is asking: "Give me a proof so I can believe"...

Believing means accepting a fact without proof.

Once you have a clear proof you don't believe on it. You know it.

There are proofs which are only personal. Read my posts above, not just come in and grab the tail of the discussion.

I read all your posts.
They amount to making stuff up.

 

[kerikiwi]

By the same method you believe you sweetheart is loving and faithful!

There is evidence of that.
Where's the evidence of life after death?

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Oh my...

There is a fact? Did you go there and found no one? Then you are the first one and a good proof of Life after Death!

I find your answer totaly against the basic rules of a good skeptic reasoner!

I'll explain better in posts bellow.

Don't you remember Mike?

I don't need proof.

 

[Sideroxylon]

By the same method you believe you sweetheart is loving and faithful!

There is a large degree of empirical evidence I use to arrive at that provisionally held belief. But you are arguing that we only need look inside ourselves for the answer. Again, Mike, how do you verify such ideas to your own satisfaction given the good reasons available to doubt them.

 

[MikeAparicio]

I am out now to take the "heavenly" sun and get some "heavenly" charred skin!

See ya later!

 

[Nay_Sayer]

I am out now to take the "heavenly" sun and get some "heavenly" charred skin!

See ya later!

There is no life after death.

I know this because I walked around and it just came to me.

I think it is our responsibility to find the answer for ourselves, without any external intervention of books, ideas, opinions, facts, proofs, arguments, philosophies, guilds, religions, clubs or forums....

 

[Sideroxylon]

I am out now to take the "heavenly" sun and get some "heavenly" charred skin!

See ya later!

Ponder this one while you are out exposing yourself to the risk of skin cancer:

Once again, Mike, you have completely missed my point.

Let me put it this way. Suppose someone followed your advice precisely, and instead of receiving knowledge about life after death received instructions from God to demonstrate God's anger with a certain nation by flying a plane into one of its most important buildings. How would you go about persuading this person that that is not the right thing to do? You have already declared that the knowledge obtained in this manner is bound to be correct. There are no facts, no arguments that you can use to counter it because this person's belief was not obtained by facts or arguments. There is no test in reality for it.