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SezMe said:
This claim is new to me and I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread.



Seems to me this claim makes much of the other nonsense from Smith to be small potatoes.
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Now I'm missing Janadelle, she could explain to us how claims of the Moon People being fiction are stuff and nonsense, JS mentioned them so their existence is true by definition.
 
RandFan, deepest condolences. In the last few years, I have lost my mother and my wife lost her father, so I know how it feels. All the best.
 
Randfan, Please accept my heartfelt condolences too. Remember the good times you had with him. I have always felt it is the best way to cope with loss. He has been an important part of who you are today, so I guess in that way, he is always with you. :hug:
 
RandFan said:
Yesterday was my fathers funeral.
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So sorry to hear that, RandFan, my condolences.
Services were held at my mothers ward. The services were lovely and the many Mormon family members and friends who came to pay their respect to my father were as respectful of me and my beliefs as I was of them and theirs. Most everyone I know and love is Mormon. Most active. They are by and large decent moral people. Like most humans they are also quite capable of reason in most things though they compartmentalize their beliefs in Mormonism and the many problems, contradictions, anachronisms, etc..

I'm not anti-Mormon and outside of social networking I don't go out of my way to challenge the beliefs of Mormons. IMO: The culture of Mormonism has some good aspects to it and there is much about Mormonism and Mormons that I respect.

At the end of the day though when I'm asked I tell the truth as to my understanding of the Church and my experience with it.
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I can understand that. My mother is very involved in her Church, but while I don't believe what she does any more, I know that she and the people at the Church are decent people.
 
Hey, Randfan, I am just barely on the other side of that as I watch my own father dwindle. It's only a matter of time. Months maybe. My thoughts are with you.
 
I have to say, the people who think skeptics and atheists are without love are idiots. A lot of us here are atheist/agnostic, or at least cynical. Certain believers think we don't have love in our hearts and are wrong. I empathize with RandFan because I lost my father almost 9 years ago. Doesn't take a book to care for and love another person.

ETA: I started this note just to thank everyone for consoling RandFan. I got caught up in a political/social/religious diatribe, and I apologize.
 
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My condolences as well, RandFan, I will be in that position myself in another year or two and I'm not looking forward to it.
 
TheGoldcountry said:
I have to say, the people who think skeptics and atheists are without love are idiots. A lot of us here are atheist/agnostic, or at least cynical. Certain believers think we don't have love in our hearts and are wrong. I empathize with RandFan because I lost my father almost 9 years ago. Doesn't take a book to care for and love another person.

ETA: I started this note just to thank everyone for consoling RandFan. I got caught up in a political/social/religious diatribe, and I apologize.
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You shouldn't apologize, TGC. It's an important point to make, one that many theists don't seem to understand. I'm sorry for you loss. Nine years doesn't take away the pain.

Marcus, wishing you the strength to face what's coming. :hug2
 
I honestly had not expect such an outpouring of support. Probably my naivete. In any event I can't begin to say how grateful I am to all of the support.

I loved my father deeply and miss him so much. It means much that others should care and express condolences knowing that this has been a difficult time for me.

After all of the philosophy and existential questions, at the end of the day atheists and theists are still just people with the capacity to love and demonstrate empathy and compassion toward one another.

It's a product of evolution but a product I'm very grateful for.
 
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