Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[phonebook]

While you guys are going over reaction times, don't forget to factor in that from the time he says "****, he's running" to the time he's out of the car, he also has to grab his utility flashlight out of the glove compartment. Remember, he wasn't out on patrol, he was going to the store. So The time to exit the vehicle has to include the time to search for and find the flashlight.

Still think he was merely reacting to what he heard the dispatcher say?

The flashlight was in the glove compartment? How do you know where he kept it?

ETA:

don't forget to factor in that from the time he says "****, he's running" to the time he's out of the car

That would be ~7 seconds.

 

[sgtbaker]

While you guys are going over reaction times, don't forget to factor in that from the time he says "****, he's running" to the time he's out of the car, he also has to grab his utility flashlight out of the glove compartment. Remember, he wasn't out on patrol, he was going to the store. So The time to exit the vehicle has to include the time to search for and find the flashlight.

Still think he was merely reacting to what he heard the dispatcher say?

Why is there no sound, at all, between "**** he's running," and the dispatcher asking him "which way..."? If he was reacting to him running and not the question, why was he not making any noise, reaching into his glove box until after the question? It takes him 5 full seconds between the time he opens the door till the time the door shuts. He has plenty of time to reach in and grab the flashlight.

 

[sgtbaker]

He needs to establish some sort of injury, doesn't he? He's got the EMTs on there so he intends to use them, just not the PA he saw the next day.

And I disagree that he doesn't need to be badly injured. He claimed 25-30 punches in the face, smothering, and repeated head smashes against concrete. He needs to back that up, since he based his defense on his assertions of the severity of the beating he took. If his injuries don't match his description of the beating, then how can a jury take the rest of his story as the truth?

He doesn't need to prove the extent of his injuries and they have the EMT's as well as police to testify that he had been assaulted. I am not saying they will or will not be called but you should know, by now, that witnesses being on the list does not mean they are going to be used. That has been covered here as well as in the news outlets.

His defense is that he was afraid for his life, not that he was beat within an inch of his life.

 

[Unabogie]

Why is there no sound, at all, between "**** he's running," and the dispatcher asking him "which way..."? If he was reacting to him running and not the question, why was he not making any noise, reaching into his glove box until after the question? It takes him 5 full seconds between the time he opens the door till the time the door shuts. He has plenty of time to reach in and grab the flashlight.

Cell phones have noise canceling software built into them to weed out sounds below a certain decibel level. I don't think a lack of sound is indicative that nothing was happening.

He was obviously very quick to exit his vehicle. You hear the "**** he's running", then the sound of the door opening. Somewhere in that time he grabs the flashlight, looks around, then starts running after the "suspect". All the while he's still on the phone, so he's doing this with one hand. Once he grabs the flashlight, he's doing this with both hands full. That slows you down. I just don't think there's any support for the idea that he only did all of this once the dispatcher asked him "which way is he running?" since there's just not enough time for all this other stuff. Plus it flies in the face of common sense.

By the way, I hear the "**** he's running" at 2:11 of the call. And the chime happens exactly at 2:14 and matches the word "running" in "which way is he running?".

In other words, even if you don't account for the delay time, that's just 3 seconds and he's got his door open, before he could even process what the dispatcher just asked him since the dispatcher wasn't even done asking it.

Plus it takes him another 3 seconds to answer that question, and at that time, he's clearly out of his truck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

 

[Cylinder]

He needs to establish some sort of injury, doesn't he? He's got the EMTs on there so he intends to use them, just not the PA he saw the next day.

Where are you getting that idea? The list released yestarday doesn't include experts, so that's raw speculation at this point.,

 

[phonebook]

Remember, he wasn't out on patrol, he was going to the store. So The time to exit the vehicle has to include the time to search for and find the flashlight.

Yeah, because "searching" for a flashlight in a vehicle's glove box (as if you have any proof that's where he kept it) is like trying to find a loose marble in Santa's toy sack.

 

[Unabogie]

He doesn't need to prove the extent of his injuries and they have the EMT's as well as police to testify that he had been assaulted. I am not saying they will or will not be called but you should know, by now, that witnesses being on the list does not mean they are going to be used. That has been covered here as well as in the news outlets.

His defense is that he was afraid for his life, not that he was beat within an inch of his life.

But he CLAIMED he was beat within an inch of his life. So if that CLAIM is ********, then a jury is going to discount his other CLAIMS as well.

 

[Unabogie]

Yeah, because "searching" for a flashlight in a vehicle's glove box (as if you have any proof that's where he kept it) is like trying to find a loose marble in Santa's toy sack.

He had the door open in 3 seconds. Part of that time was spent grabbing the flashlight. The dispatcher had not even finished asking him the question before he opens the door. Therefore, his opening the door was not a reaction to what the dispatcher asked him.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

But he CLAIMED he was beat within an inch of his life. So if that CLAIM is ********, then a jury is going to discount his other CLAIMS as well.

Really ? A quote would be great to back that up.

Again, this is sad that you post this at this point in the thread.

 

[phonebook]

But he CLAIMED he was beat within an inch of his life. So if that CLAIM is ********, then a jury is going to discount his other CLAIMS as well.

Where did he claim that? I thought he said the main reason he fired his weapon is because he believed that TM was trying to reach for it.

 

[Unabogie]

Really ? A quote would be great to back that up.

Again, this is sad that you post this at this point in the thread.

He claimed to be punched 25-30 times in the face. He claimed that his assailant stopped his breathing by smothering him. He claimed that his assailant bashed his head into the concrete so many times he thought it was going to explode. He claimed that when he was hit, it was so hard that it felt like he had bricks in his hands. Are you really disputing what we all know to be true?

 

[phonebook]

He had the door open in 3 seconds. Part of that time was spent grabbing the flashlight.

Says who? What if the flashlight is sitting in his center console and he grabbed it after opening the door? Or, better yet, what if his flashlight is kept in the door-panel storage area?

The dispatcher had not even finished asking him the question before he opens the door. Therefore, his opening the door was not a reaction to what the dispatcher asked him.

You're wrong, therefore you're wrong.

 

[Unabogie]

Says who? What if the flashlight is sitting in his center console and he grabbed it after opening the door? Or, better yet, what if his flashlight is kept in the door-panel storage area?

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Who knows? All I said was you have to factor that into the timeline of what Dan and SgtBaker were discussing.

You're wrong, therefore you're wrong.

I just pasted a link to the recording. You're being silly, since it's obvious for anyone to hear.

 

[AlBell]

I disagree. I live in New York City where there is much crime, duh!

I refuse to believe that the world is a scary, dark place and that I need a gun to protect myself and my family. And sorry if this sounds sexist, this is a household that only has women and well still don't need guns.

Have you considered that good advice for a young woman to attack a stranger might not be the correct advice for a young man? I also doubt it's a good plan for a 48 yr old woman; some men would overcome their distate over striking a woman.

As to still not needing guns, I hope none of you ever do need one since if you do you won't have one.

 

[phonebook]

He claimed to be punched 25-30 times in the face.

Do you think he was literally counting the blows as they came?

He claimed that his assailant stopped his breathing by smothering him.

What is the longest period of silence between screams? Maybe 7 seconds? Can you hold your breath for 7 seconds?

He claimed that his assailant bashed his head into the concrete so many times he thought it was going to explode.

I imagine getting your head slammed repeatedly into the ground would be extremely painful. You're taking issue with his description of that pain apparently.

He claimed that when he was hit, it was so hard that it felt like he had bricks in his hands.

Again, your beef is his description of the pain he was under at the time.

Are you really disputing what we all know to be true?

That you're trying to downplay GZ's injuries? No, that would be foolish to dispute, as anybody who's read any of your posts about it would know that that's what you do.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

But he CLAIMED he was beat within an inch of his life. So if that CLAIM is ********, then a jury is going to discount his other CLAIMS as well.

He claimed to be punched 25-30 times in the face. He claimed that his assailant stopped his breathing by smothering him. He claimed that his assailant bashed his head into the concrete so many times he thought it was going to explode. He claimed that when he was hit, it was so hard that it felt like he had bricks in his hands. Are you really disputing what we all know to be true?

He did claim it felt like his head was going to explode. (just in case you feel the need to point out that his head wasn't actually going to explode.)
He did claim TM hit him so hard it so hard that it felt like he had bricks in his hands.

Hmm, I don't see where he said he was beat within an inch of his life.

Are you really disputing that you made that claim ?

Also, still waiting to a link to where GZ claimed to be punched 25-30 times in the face. I remember discussing it, but I don't remember the outcome.

Also, still waiting for you to quote where I made that claim "George NEVER did anything that makes him look like a wannabe superhero " so we can all see if you actually "demolished" it.

Also, still waiting for you to conceded that evidence was provided that the diagnosis issued by the PA was a broken nose.

 

[phonebook]

I just pasted a link to the recording. You're being silly, since it's obvious for anyone to hear.

Just like "the keys are in the ignition" was obvious for anyone to hear?

You don't exactly have the best track record as far as hearing things go:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9096906&postcount=7093

 

[AlBell]

Yeah. I notice you didn't add "stand his ground". Flight was Trayvon's only option, according to you and your fellow Zimmerman supporters.

The FL SYG as I understand it applies to 'in your home' or 'in your car'. In open areas flight is at first your only option.

And, no matter how you spin it, your hero shot an unarmed teenager, assumably for the "savage, brutal, life-threatening" beating he suffered (but the pics and evidence don't support).

"Hero?" We must be reading separate threads, nor are savage or brutal required for one to feel life-threatened.

 

[Unabogie]

Just like "the keys are in the ignition" was obvious for anyone to hear?

I never claimed that. I found a transcript and pasted a link to it. You can't tell the difference?

You don't exactly have the best track record as far as hearing things go:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9096906&postcount=7093

Considering that I never claimed to have heard that, we can restrict ourselves to this one instance. The chime plays at 2:14 of the call and "**** he's running plays at 2:11.

 

[Darkman]

CNN analyst on Zimmerman brother’s racist rant: Two sides to every story

By Eric W. Dolan
Wednesday, March 27, 2013 17:38 EDT

CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin on Wednesday offered a rationale for racist messages sent by George Zimmerman’s brother, saying there were “two sides to this story.”

“I spoke to him for about 45 minutes,” she said. “And anyone that knows Robert Zimmerman and has spoken to him knows he’s very passionate about his family, very, very supportive of his brother.”

Read more and watch the VIDEO: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/...rothers-racist-rant-two-sides-to-every-story/​