"A finding from a peer-reviewed report:
At approximately 430°C, the 'red/gray chips of interest' produce an exothermic reaction that briefly reaches a temperature sufficient to produce high purity molten iron."
Evasive Response:
No no, they did testing as high as 700°C so that must have been the residue they examined, not 430°C."
"The Bentham paper is non-existent to the scientific community. In reality it doesn't register. It's not used as a reference in any legitimate thermite work...."
Another typical denial based on highly biased anonymous opinion.
Sunstealer's post evades responding to the issue of the iron-rich microspheres discovered in the red/gray chip residue where none existed prior to the 430°C ignition.
Sunstealer attempts to re-direct the issue.
Sunstealer ignores previous arguments that show Millette effectively ignored the Bentham Paper after he isolated red/gray chips with a magnet. It has been made abundantly clear that the WTC produced an immeasurable amount of dust. Everything that was contained in the WTC site is comprised in that dust. No doubt there were lots of samples of kaolin, primer paint, etc etc etc. No doubt a lot of these materials had similar appearance and no doubt many were already magnetic or contaminated by material(s) attracted by magnetism.
Without the further guidance provided by the authors of the Bentham Paper (resistivity test), it would be quite easy to select and test the wrong chips when picking visually through a large isolation pile.
There is no argument with Millette's FTIR results other than he proves that not all the red/gray chips were 'chips of interest' and that he purposely (did not use the resistivity test), selected unrepresentative, indisputable chips for his testing.
Millette proved the existence of material that we knew, and he knew, had to be in the WTC dust debris.
Then we have Ivan Kminek's response which is also laughingly evasive.
"MM: Why are you talking about our "evasive response"?
Even Jtl would very probably agree, that any additional heating experiment with WTC red/gray chips simply
must be performed at the same conditions like in Bentham paper, i.e., with the same/similar heating rate (10 degrees/min) and up to the
same final temperature, which was
700 degrees C.
Otherwise, any such test
(performed e.g. only up to 430 degrees C) could not be regarded as a "replication" of original tests. Why you do not comprehend this very obvious Truth?
Indeed, DSC device can be replaced by some simpler device, like precisely controlled oven, if the researcher is interested only in some analysis of resulting ash and not in the specific thermal effects during heating.
You basically think that microspheres were formed already at the external temperatures around 430 degrees C
(because of thermitic reaction).
(Note: external temperature means temp. of sample holder.)
We basically think that microspheres were created at considerably higher external temperatures, probably close to final 700 degrees. (We also claim that slow exothermic effects observed at ca 430 degrees were caused by burning of the polymer binder.)
And, since nobody knows at which external temperatures microspheres were formed, the heating up to 700 degrees in any replication is simply a must
Why you refuse to accept this plain fact? What personal problem do you have with the heating up to 700 degrees?
700°C is still insufficient to do what you require.
High-purity iron microspheres require a melting temperature of
1538°C.
Since Millette refused to publicly test his samples above
400°C, or isolate chips of interest by checking their resistivity, and since this thread is about his dust study, his lack of
any replicating temperature results is very significant.
And your rant about the importance of following the heating steps above
430°C, (
10 degrees/min) up to
700°C.
The video of the chip ignition reveals an intense exothermic reaction occurred over a
~0.06 seconds of time and that the chip's overall disintegration occurred in less than a second.
Are you suggesting in the remaining 27 minutes (1,620 seconds) iron-rich microspheres mysteriously formed in the
post-430°C residue as a result of further heating from
430°C to
700°C?
Sure they did some testing to
700°C, but they got the results of interest at
430°C and the Bentham Paper authors repeatedly note a finding of
430°C for the thermitic reaction and not
700°C.
MM
