2 questions re 1120 'Missing bodies' from WTC 1&2 & media complicity in mass murder

[Jack by the hedge]

Just look at the verinage piles...

In the verinage demolitions you have studied, at what height above the ground were the buildings breaking up as their upper floors dropped onto lower ones. How does that compare with the heights involved in the WTC towers?

 

[GlennB]

What was the maximum distance the debris travelled? If it's in the range of 100-200m then it wouldn't be unusual would it?

Bingo. Jbui is talking as if human remains are fundamentally different from other remains.

Fires were started to the N of WTC7 by WTC1 debris, in the region of 200 yds away. Also in a parking lot to the NW of the Verizon, which was even further.

 

[Jbui]

What was the maximum distance the debris travelled? If it's in the range of 100-200m then it wouldn't be unusual would it?

Well, if definition of unusual is that it only happened on 9/11 and never before nor after that, then it is very unusual that something falling from 200-400m would travel up to 200m. You need to find some examples of that happening naturally with gravity, to prove that it's not unusual.

 

[Jbui]

Would you care to explain in detail what's unusual.

I would like to see where you get your information.

Also explain why debris from wtc7 didn't travel 100-200 meters

With WTC debris did not travel anywhere, since it was an implosion. You blow the core columns first, the the building folds in on itself. With WTC you could not use gravity since WTC 1 had only few stories who could not crush more than few stories. And WTC 2's top was tilting on the street, so no help from that. You had to blow the whole building. Plus the outer structure had to be cut loose from the floors, so it had to be rigged too. Result was that you had to use so much explosives that the walls would fly 200m sideways.

 

[Jbui]

In the verinage demolitions you have studied, at what height above the ground were the buildings breaking up as their upper floors dropped onto lower ones. How does that compare with the heights involved in the WTC towers?

Verinages are of course done to much smaller buildings, since you can not do a verinage to a steel framed building, and you can not do a skyscraper without strong steel columns. The higher the tower, the more risk you have it tilting to one side, like happened here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkyH4EMpyv8
Once it starts tilting, it's gonna fall. Unless you have rigged it up to the top like WTC2...

 

[Jbui]

Interesting calculator you have built in that head. Now try again, with science.

You can't prove that there had to be explosives using your lack of understanding the physics of a collapse as your main piece of evidence. You actually have to show by physics how it could not happen just by the building collapse.

So far all your proof has been by the fact that you are incredulous, which doesn't prove anything but that you are incredulous, no matter how much faith you yourself place in your own powers of analysis

Tell me LSSBB, why don't you ask Redwood, since he brought this up, what is this shoving mechanism, and how can it blast heavy steel and light body parts to 200m distance?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Once it starts tilting, it's gonna fall. Unless you have rigged it up to the top like WTC2...

What does "rigged it up to the top" mean?

 

[thedopefishlives]

What does "rigged it up to the top" mean?

If I may indulge in a mild case of speculative strawmanning, I believe the implication is that the tower was quite literally "blown up". It appears that what we have here is a failure to understand that gravity, not explosives, do the vast majority of the work in any controlled demolition.

 

[Spanx]

With WTC debris did not travel anywhere, since it was an implosion. You blow the core columns first, the the building folds in on itself. With WTC you could not use gravity since WTC 1 had only few stories who could not crush more than few stories. And WTC 2's top was tilting on the street, so no help from that. You had to blow the whole building. Plus the outer structure had to be cut loose from the floors, so it had to be rigged too. Result was that you had to use so much explosives that the walls would fly 200m sideways.

Have you ever googled jackanory

 

[GlennB]

Result was that you had to use so much explosives that the walls would fly 200m sideways.

Which would have broken every eardrum and window for a mile.

Didn't happen.

 

[Sunstealer]

Well, if definition of unusual is that it only happened on 9/11 and never before nor after that, then it is very unusual that something falling from 200-400m would travel up to 200m. You need to find some examples of that happening naturally with gravity, to prove that it's not unusual.

Nice attempt at a dodge. What was the maximum distance the debris travelled?

 

[beachnut]

Tell me LSSBB, why don't you ask Redwood, since he brought this up, what is this shoving mechanism, and how can it blast heavy steel and light body parts to 200m distance?

It is physics. The E=mgh was released, equal to over 315 TONS of TNT in each collapse, enough energy to destroy all the bodies and eject stuff all over 19 acres. But you do woo, not physics.

If you took physics you would not be making up nonsense about CD, some insane inside job stuff.

Remember high school? You should have taken physics.

 

[LSSBB]

Tell me LSSBB, why don't you ask Redwood, since he brought this up, what is this shoving mechanism, and how can it blast heavy steel and light body parts to 200m distance?

Show me how a 100+ story collapsing building full of mgh turning into 1/2mv² can't knock bits and pieces 200m and blow it also as the air escapes. That's what the video shows. Youse gots da burden of proof.

By the way, no audio of explosive charges. What is this silent stuff you are dreaming up?

 

[Justin39640]

Please debunkers, think. Think before you start writing. Obviously here are two different things we are talking about. If you build a high tower, and then hit it on on side -what happens? it falls over. Like in so many demonlitions that went wrong. Or when you were a kid and your tower fell down. Or when you cut a tree. Only a perfect demolition manages to take tower straight down. Buildings are never perfectly symmetric inside, so even with perfectly symmetric plane damage, the WTC2 would have propably tilted. In case of WTC1 the collapse would have probably stopped...and of course the collapse would not have even initiated without the charges....

But, if the collapse would have started, (with verinage pulling or with some other help) and the towers had been pre weakened like verinage-buildings, so that the collapse would be able to continue, we would expect to see same results as in verinages, that is gravity taking it all down in one pile. Not blasting stuff 200m away. Of course both buildings would need to be pulled from the middle, WTC1 would not have come down many meters, since the damage was so high up. The momentum of the upper block would have been enough just for crushing couple some 10-20 floors.

So two things, they should have tilted, and they should not have blasted themselves in 200m radius. Talking about footprint is of course confusing if you have not started using your head in the first place.

Umm... FYI: A tree isn't 95% air by volume. Maybe you should start there and start correcting the rest of your flawed assumptions.

 

[Justin39640]

Show me how a 100+ story collapsing building full of mgh turning into 1/2mv² can't knock bits and pieces 200m and blow it also as the air escapes. That's what the video shows. Youse gots da burden of proof.

By the way, no audio of explosive charges. What is this silent stuff you are dreaming up?

It's amazing that the idea of collisions never seems to enter his reasoning.

 

[Jbui]

It's amazing that the idea of collisions never seems to enter his reasoning.

Idea of collision? Like when two object accelerate, hit each other and in;
A) debunker logic turn into dust but keep on accelerating in same direction as they did earlier
Or
B) real life, their motion stops, and all their kinetic energy is used in breaking up their structure...

 

[Jbui]

Umm... FYI: A tree isn't 95% air by volume. Maybe you should start there and start correcting the rest of your flawed assumptions.

Tree is a bad example, you are right about that, so just compare it to any other high tower, make a wtc 2 style dmage to it and see if it tips over or falls straight down.

 

[Jbui]

Show me how a 100+ story collapsing building full of mgh turning into 1/2mv² can't knock bits and pieces 200m and blow it also as the air escapes. That's what the video shows. Youse gots da burden of proof.

By the way, no audio of explosive charges. What is this silent stuff you are dreaming up?

Sorry, but I claim that only explosives can do it, and we all know they can, you say it's shoving, ping ponging, puffing, springing - so please demonstrate how it actually happened, you have the burden of proof for your own theories.

There was no one single big exxplosion, but many of them, and throwing a 100kg steel beam or piece of bone 200m only needs that explosion to take place next to that object. There are videos of reporter yelling HUGE EXPLOSION, but no explosion is heard on the tape...do you wonder what happened there?

 

[Jbui]

It is physics. The E=mgh was released, equal to over 315 TONS of TNT in each collapse, enough energy to destroy all the bodies and eject stuff all over 19 acres. But you do woo, not physics.

If you took physics you would not be making up nonsense about CD, some insane inside job stuff.

Remember high school? You should have taken physics.

We all take physics here. It is not optional...and i got 10 from my last course.

 

[Spanx]

Jbui

Why didn't the debris from wtc7 travel 200m ?