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WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette

Senenmut, I sure wish Jones et al would give Millette the chips he considers thermitic. To refuse access and then say Millette has the wrong chips does not impress this scientific layperson.
 
chrismohr said:
Senenmut, I sure wish Jones et al would give Millette the chips he considers thermitic. To refuse access and then say Millette has the wrong chips does not impress this scientific layperson.
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Chips ahoy!

Dust to dust... I mean dust is dust. Jones is hardly acting like a scientist when he hoards the precious dust which he claims hold the key to the realm.

Jones has proven multiple times he not what he cracks up to be. And this is why no too many take him seriously.
 
Mohr: Iron-rich spheres used to be important, now it's silicon-rich spheres? Is the silicon really important? Aren't there hundreds of different kinds of microspheres that were found in the debris?
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The iron-rich spheres are the main point of Harrit´s paper, but you still haven´t made the effort to talk to a chemist about this stuff.
How do you explain the spheres MADE BY THE CHIPS?

You and many others here have been ranting about some data you think Harrit et al have been hiding, but Kminek and Oystein have found that Harrit et al have made the FTIR accessible on video. Kminek et al did not mention that Harrit´s FTIR looks like a match for superthermite: See here

Aren't microspheres of all kinds created in fires all the time?
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No, who told you that?
 
Thermite, who cares...It's not a high explosive, it's an incendiary, and totally ineffective in the precision cutting of steel frame members, which is required for the controlled demolition of high rise steel frame buildings.
 
jtl said:
The iron-rich spheres are the main point of Harrit´s paper, but you still haven´t made the effort to talk to a chemist about this stuff.
How do you explain the spheres MADE BY THE CHIPS?

You and many others here have been ranting about some data you think Harrit et al have been hiding, but Kminek and Oystein have found that Harrit et al have made the FTIR accessible on video. Kminek et al did not mention that Harrit´s FTIR looks like a match for superthermite: See here
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im guessing its the one in the background NOT bolded.




 
jtl said:
The iron-rich spheres are the main point of Harrit´s paper, but you still haven´t made the effort to talk to a chemist about this stuff.
How do you explain the spheres MADE BY THE CHIPS?

You and many others here have been ranting about some data you think Harrit et al have been hiding, but Kminek and Oystein have found that Harrit et al have made the FTIR accessible on video. Kminek et al did not mention that Harrit´s FTIR looks like a match for superthermite: See here


No, who told you that?
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Iron spheres are formed in fires on 911. No thermite. Jones lost again, he makes up lies only those who can't do rational research fall for.

No need to discuss the failed paper, no real scientist think the paper is worth anything of value; to boot it was done in a vanity journal, big fail.

Millette found no thermite because no damage to WTC steel was found due to thermite; only fire. 11 years of failure - Millette got it right, Harrit got it wrong.
 
Senenmut, jtl: I noticed here this FTIR of K. Ryan about one year ago, I'm lazy to find my relevant posts now.

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This FTIR is of extremely bad quality, namely x-axis is almost unreadable, it's not any "teaser", but just a fail to present some meaningful/good data. Moreover, as anyone can read, this chip was "multicolored, interconnected network (??), has dark bands and light white coating", so it has very probably nothing common with "usual" red/gray chips.

I mentioned that time that this spectrum of Ryan's strange chip does not correspond to epoxy resin. But, it does not correspond to Viton as well;) It's nothing more than Ryan's wishfull thinking:cool:
 
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Ivan Kminek said:
Senenmut, jtl: I noticed here this FTIR of K. Ryan about one year ago, I'm lazy to find my relevant posts now.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1032&pictureid=7522[/qimg]

This FTIR is of extremely bad quality, namely x-axis is almost unreadable, it's not any "teaser", but just a fail to present some meaningful/good data. Moreover, as anyone can read, this chip was "multicolored, interconnected network (??), has dark bands and light white coating", so it has very probably nothing common with "usual" red/gray chips.

I mentioned that time that this spectrum of Ryan's strange chip does not correspond to epoxy resin. But, it does not correspond to Viton as well;) It's nothing more than Ryan's wishfull thinking:cool:
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this must be the chip he is describing since it is right after the FTIR data:








here is some more partially reacted chips that look very similar:

 
Senenmut said:
im guessing its the one in the background NOT bolded.
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Yes, that is one of the many problems with the argument jtl and Ziggi are trying to make: You really have to guess what the data actually is.

Senenmut said:
and here is millette's

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_285445146722c9bd92.jpg[/qimg]
they do look different.
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Yes, that is another of the many problems with the argument jtl and Ziggi are trying to make: Since there are so many different kinds of chips, it is totally useless to present single data points for chips that are otherwise left uncharacterized.

Senenmut said:
this must be the chip he is describing since it is right after the FTIR data:


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And here you fall into a trap that was perhaps deliberately laid by Ryan for you to fall into: This chip does not in any way whatsoever conform to the description of the chip for which FTIR-data is shown:

"Sample JM12 is a 2mm multi-colored interconnected network. It has dark bands and a light white coating"

Can you show us in the image you posted where that chip...
- is "2 mm"
- is "multi-colored"
- is an "interconnected network"
- "has dark bands"
- has "light white coating"?

See, this chip is not Sample JM12! It is obvious, right in your face, screaming at you "HEY SENEMUT!!! LOOK AT ME!! READ THE *********** DESCRIPTION!! I AM DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!!!", but you truthers just don't see that! Why, Senemut, why are you so blind??





@ jtl: Can YOU see that the FTIR "teaser" is not from a red-gray chip like the one shown by Senemut? YES or NO? Just checking if you are blind and/or illiterate, too.
 
Oystein said:
"Sample JM12 is a 2mm multi-colored interconnected network. It has dark bands and a light white coating"

Can you show us in the image you posted where that chip...
- is "2 mm"
- is "multi-colored"
- is an "interconnected network"
- "has dark bands"
- has "light white coating"?
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the only thing i have a problem with is the "light white coating"?? these guys actually handled the chips. you and i have not. i also think that since the chip did somewhat react that the FTIR may not represent that of an unreacted chip. it did experience increased temps which might have changed the properties somewhat.
 
MileHighMadness said:
Thermite, who cares...It's not a high explosive, it's an incendiary, and totally ineffective in the precision cutting of steel frame members, which is required for the controlled demolition of high rise steel frame buildings.
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On this I have to disagree. We know that thermite was used to bring down a structure once in the 1930s I believe (I'm too lazy to get the link but I've seen it). I also vaguely remember Chris Sarns linking me to an article that shows that thermite can be made into an explosive.
 
Senenmut said:
this must be the chip he is describing since it is right after the FTIR data:





[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_28544514712252034d.jpg[/qimg]


here is some more partially reacted chips that look very similar:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_28544514712521c78e.jpg[/qimg]
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This is a question not an assertion. Can there be such a thing as partially reacted thermite? I thought once that stuff started to ignite it got hot hot hot and thoroughly burned itself up.
 
Looking at the FTIR's above, it certainly looks to me like we are talking about different chips with different properties. There must be an incredible variety of different kinds of chips in the WTC debris. As for iron-rich microspheres being created by the heating experiments performed by Harrit et al, I am continuing to ask around about that. I doubt a chemist could answer that without doing an experiment, and I would love to see such a relatively simple experiment performed. I'll keep you all posted if I find out anything but this research is not easy for someone who doesn't have a lab and the skill set required to answer Harrit's challenge directly. But I have managed to find two people with access to labs who might just do an experiment to answer this question. Maybe. They don't owe me any favors and I'm not willing to part with more money, so I'll have to convince them it's an interesting experiment for them to do!
 
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chrismohr said:
Looking at the FTIR's above, it certainly looks to me like we are talking about different chips with different properties. There must be an incredible variety of different kinds of chips in the WTC debris. As for iron-rich microspheres being created by the heating experiments performed by Harrit et al, I am continuing to ask around about that. I doubt a chemist could answer that without doing an experiment, and I would love to see such a relatively simple experiment performed. I'll keep you all posted if I find out anything but this research is not easy for someone who doesn't have a lab and the skill set required to answer Harrit's challenge directly. But I have managed to find two people with access to labs who might just do an experiment to answer this question. Maybe. They don't owe me any favors and I'm not willing to part with more money, so I'll have to convince them it's an interesting experiment for them to do!
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Just out of interest Chris, what is Harrit's challenge.
 
chrismohr said:
This is a question not an assertion. Can there be such a thing as partially reacted thermite? I thought once that stuff started to ignite it got hot hot hot and thoroughly burned itself up.
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only thing i can think of is that it got blown off at a high rate and cooled down quickly?? i dont think anyone has found large chips yet. they are all very small....probably from being blown apart???
 
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