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I'm thinking about writing a book about this. I have Jonah Goldberg's bull pucky Liberal Fascism book to thank for my inspiration.

Looking at the way modern conservatives preach there philosophy and dismiss contradictory information, its seems very and eerily similar to the dogmatic nature that communism was. There are of course differences to how extreme each philosophy went.
Both Conservatism and Communism have been carried out and put to the test in countries, mainly the Regan Revolution in the United States.
This topic could sure use some discussion.

Topics to discuss on this:
  • Trical down economics and collectivism
  • Lysenkoism- dismissal of every science contradictory to the ideology. (of course conservatives have not called a law banning certain scientific research, except stem cells (that i know of).
  • Soviet Union and Homosexuality (hated gay people)
  • Us vs them mentality, makers and takers/proletarians and bourgeoisie.
  • Justifying torture

any other analogies or similarities?
 
SKEPTICALSHAM said:
I'm thinking about writing a book about this. I have Jonah Goldberg's bull pucky Liberal Fascism book to thank for my inspiration.

Looking at the way modern conservatives preach there philosophy and dismiss contradictory information, its seems very and eerily similar to the dogmatic nature that communism was. There are of course differences to how extreme each philosophy went.
Both Conservatism and Communism have been carried out and put to the test in countries, mainly the Regan Revolution in the United States.
This topic could sure use some discussion.

Topics to discuss on this:
  • Trical down economics and collectivism
  • Lysenkoism- dismissal of every science contradictory to the ideology. (of course conservatives have not called a law banning certain scientific research, except stem cells (that i know of).
  • Soviet Union and Homosexuality (hated gay people)
  • Us vs them mentality, makers and takers/proletarians and bourgeoisie.
  • Justifying torture

any other analogies or similarities?
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Be sure to hire a good editor!
 
SKEPTICALSHAM said:
I'm thinking about writing a book about this. I have Jonah Goldberg's bull pucky Liberal Fascism book to thank for my inspiration.

Looking at the way modern conservatives preach there philosophy and dismiss contradictory information, its seems very and eerily similar to the dogmatic nature that communism was. There are of course differences to how extreme each philosophy went.
Both Conservatism and Communism have been carried out and put to the test in countries, mainly the Regan Revolution in the United States.
This topic could sure use some discussion.

Topics to discuss on this:
  • Trical down economics and collectivism
  • Lysenkoism- dismissal of every science contradictory to the ideology. (of course conservatives have not called a law banning certain scientific research, except stem cells (that i know of).
  • Soviet Union and Homosexuality (hated gay people)
  • Us vs them mentality, makers and takers/proletarians and bourgeoisie.
  • Justifying torture

any other analogies or similarities?
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I think it's an interesting comparison, aside from the spelling troubles.

Actually, under the leadership of Lennin, Czarist laws banning homosexuality were stricken. It was not until Stalin took the reigns that homosexuality was again banned.

Not certain, but I don't believe that Trotsky was anti-gay either, though I could be wrong about that.

I'm also not certain that Lysenkoism would have flourished under non-Stalinist communism.

Seems the comparison is more apt if you compare Stalinism with conservatives, historically speaking.
 
(this post was originally in the Economics section by mistake)

I'm thinking about writing a book about this. I have Jonah Goldberg's bull poop Liberal Fascism book to thank for my inspiration.

Looking at the way modern conservatives preach their philosophy and dismiss contradictory information, its seems very and eerily similar to the dogmatic nature of communism. There are of course differences to how extreme each philosophy went.
Both Conservatism and Communism have been carried out and put to the test in countries, mainly the Reagan Revolution in the United States.
This topic could sure use some discussion.

Topics to discuss on this:
  • Trickle down economics and collectivism
  • Lysenkoism- dismissal of every science contradictory to the ideology. (of course conservatives have not called a law banning certain scientific research, except stem cells (that i know of).
  • Soviet Union and Homosexuality (hated gay people then welcomed them)
  • Us vs them mentality, makers and takers/proletarians and bourgeoisie.
  • Justifying torture


Any other analogies or similarities?
 
SKEPTICALSHAM said:
Homosexuality I'd say is going through the same phase in the conservative movement as it did in communism. First they used gays as a whipping boy for political/revolutionary gain. Now SOME in the conservative movement are saying that they support gay rights not despite their conservatism, but they support it because of their conservatism. Gay marriage is getting popular nationwide fast.
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This is mostly commentary on the position of a group called the "Revolutionary Union" which, as near as I can tell seems more ideologically aligned with stalinism and maoism.

It's difficult to nail down what "communism's" position on many things is because Stalin's long shadow. Many reactionary, racist, and anti-Semitic doctrines were advocated by stalinist revisionist readings of Marx and Lenin. Historically speaking, Lenin and the old Bolsheviks as a group were not anti-homosexual, or at least, didn't view it as a crime.
 
Communism? Not hardly. Fascism? Maybe.

Many different systems have shared conservatism's current obscession with ideological purity, but that is often as deep as the similarities go.
 
SKEPTICALSHAM said:
(this post was originally in the Economics section by mistake)

I'm thinking about writing a book about this. I have Jonah Goldberg's bull poop Liberal Fascism book to thank for my inspiration.

Looking at the way modern conservatives preach their philosophy and dismiss contradictory information, its seems very and eerily similar to the dogmatic nature of communism. There are of course differences to how extreme each philosophy went.
Both Conservatism and Communism have been carried out and put to the test in countries, mainly the Reagan Revolution in the United States.
This topic could sure use some discussion.

Topics to discuss on this:
  • Trickle down economics and collectivism
  • Lysenkoism- dismissal of every science contradictory to the ideology. (of course conservatives have not called a law banning certain scientific research, except stem cells (that i know of).
  • Soviet Union and Homosexuality (hated gay people then welcomed them)
  • Us vs them mentality, makers and takers/proletarians and bourgeoisie.
  • Justifying torture


Any other analogies or similarities?
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The largest former member - Russia - hardly welcomes homosexuals.
 
SKEPTICALSHAM said:
I'm thinking about writing a book about this. I have Jonah Goldberg's bull pucky Liberal Fascism book to thank for my inspiration.

Looking at the way modern conservatives preach there philosophy and dismiss contradictory information, its seems very and eerily similar to the dogmatic nature that communism was. There are of course differences to how extreme each philosophy went.
Both Conservatism and Communism have been carried out and put to the test in countries, mainly the Regan Revolution in the United States.
This topic could sure use some discussion.

Topics to discuss on this:
  • Trical down economics and collectivism
  • Lysenkoism- dismissal of every science contradictory to the ideology. (of course conservatives have not called a law banning certain scientific research, except stem cells (that i know of).
  • Soviet Union and Homosexuality (hated gay people)
  • Us vs them mentality, makers and takers/proletarians and bourgeoisie.
  • Justifying torture

any other analogies or similarities?
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Actually I believe the new conservatism to be Fecalism - though the trickle down theory is certainly appropriate to it - indeed, physically certain.
 
Tricky said:
Communism? Not hardly. Fascism? Maybe.

Many different systems have shared conservatism's current obscession with ideological purity, but that is often as deep as the similarities go.
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This comparison is not about where each is on the ideological spectrum. Its about how both cling to the ideology with such a passion and dogma.
 
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SKEPTICALSHAM said:
[*]Lysenkoism- dismissal of every science contradictory to the ideology. (of course conservatives have not called a law banning certain scientific research, except stem cells (that i know of).
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There has never been a ban on stem cell research. Bush implemented restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, but 1) that in no way restricted research funded by non-federal sources, 2) funding of adult stem cell research was not restricted, and 3) even the restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research didn't actually prohibit funding such research, but only constrained it to use certain existing stem cell lines.
 
SKEPTICALSHAM said:
This comparison is not about where each is on the ideological spectrum. Its about how both cling to the ideology with such a passion and dogma.
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That's a pretty shallow comparison, then. People are passionate about their chosen dogma. That's true across the ideological spectrum. So why pick out just those two ideologies for comparison? If you can't find some deeper commonality than that, your book is going to be boring as hell.
 
We need new terms:

"Superbadevilsm" for the right

"Feelgoodeveryoneloveseveryoneism" for the left

or

"Unrealisticviewofrealityism" for the left
 
Ziggurat said:
There has never been a ban on stem cell research. Bush implemented restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, but 1) that in no way restricted research funded by non-federal sources, 2) funding of adult stem cell research was not restricted, and 3) even the restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research didn't actually prohibit funding such research, but only constrained it to use certain existing stem cell lines.
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an important clarification regarding stem cell research, thank you
 
Why Conservativism is the New Communism

Ziggurat said:
That's a pretty shallow comparison, then. People are passionate about their chosen dogma. That's true across the ideological spectrum. So why pick out just those two ideologies for comparison? If you can't find some deeper commonality than that, your book is going to be boring as hell.
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There's much more. Jonah Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism was trying to make a point that didn't exist. Short summary of it: Liberal get their ideas from fascists and there is such a think as "liberal fascism".

I'm not saying conservatives get their ideas from communists or or saying that there's such a thing as "conservative communism". I'm saying its the a destructive and influential ideology that has affected a large region of the world. (United States)
 
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