So it's a myth because you say it is?
No it's a myth because I have actually been in bare fisted fights where people ended up with bleeding noses and black eyes and didn't end up with bleeding and bruised knuckles. I'm talking from actual experience of having been in fights, hence why I questioned if you have been.
But hey, I guess it's about the only thing someone dedicated to believing Martin punched Zimmerman repeatedly can say when neither Martin's hands nor Zimmerman's face exhibit signs of repeated punching.
See this is why I dropped out of this thread months ago. Some people stake out their camp of belief and then paint anyone that doesn't agree with them as being in the diametrically opposing group, if they aren't with you, they are against you, if they don't believe the same, they must believe the exact opposite. It's an absolutely dumb position to take, and yet time and time on this board of so call skeptics it happens.
I am not "dedicated to believing Martin punched Zimmerman repeatedly". I have no idea if he repeatedly punched him or not, and neither do you, unless you were there. All I am saying is that forming a belief that it didn't happen because Trayvon's hands weren't damaged is wrong, as having personally experienced fights and punching people in the head and nose, and being repeatedly punched in the head and nose, your hands don't end up battered and ripped up.
A Youtube video of a single instance that supposedly supports something you're claiming as a generality? Wow. Now I am convinced.
I'm not claiming it as a generality, I'm saying that the claim that hands are always damaged and bruised is wrong. To bust the claim that Trayvon's hands must be damaged if he repeatedly punched George, only one instance needs to be shown.
Please explain what about either being punched or being followed in a wide open area prevents one from running away.
Seriously? Have you never been in a real fight? For a guy with Karate in his name you seem rather unlearned about them. The first thing an untrained person does in a fight is basically curl up to protect their head and upper body from the hits, that is why when you train in a martial art or boxing you do a lot of practice fights to learn about getting hit and how to control the instincts to protect your head and vital organs. The last thing that is going through the mind, especially when the attacker follows you as you go backwards is to run, the first is to protect yourself from the blows.
Another bare assertion. I find it almost as compelling as your last one.
Once again I really have to question if you have ever been in a fight. If you ever do find yourself in a fight, especially against multiple opponents, the small one is the most dangerous.
Something that does not exist in any of Zimmerman's statements.
Well duh, could that be why I said "I suspect" as in I am speculating that this occured?
Do you just automatically believe whatever version of events best serve Zimmerman?
As you just said, GZ never stated that.
As to the rest of it. YOU were the one that created this senario, you brought it up, and I have been working on the speculation that the senario YOU brought up was the correct one, I even noted this mutliple times
I personally suspect
Speculation and based on other witnesses
Based purely on my speculation above
Get it? I'm speculating on the senario you created based on the evidence available. It has nothing to do with what GZ said. Based on the other evidence I don't believe he got most of it correct, but that doesn't mean that by using logic and speculation based on witness statments I can't come up with something that actually fits the evidence.
And if Zimmerman did approach Martin, after following him in the dark, at what point did Martin have the right to feel threatened and defend himself? Or is Zimmerman always the victim no matter how many times we rearrange the facts to suit him?
You don't have a right to "defend" yourself against someone doing no more then following you, even if it is dark. Having said that, it's clear from the 911 call that GZ lost sight of TM and even DeeDee claims that TM told her he had lost GZ, so you'll have to really pull some magic out of your backside to show that GZ was constantly following TM throughout the entire time.
Following someone is not illegal, in the light or in the dark. Punching someone for following is illegal. (and that's just a general comment there not a claim that TM punched GZ for following him.)
Again, you're manufacturing details that Zimmerman did not claim. But I can't say I blame you. I'm not sure how else someone would be able to make sense of all the things he says otherwise.
Shucks, perhaps that is what speculation means. Funny you accuse me of believing GZ's story and then you accuse me of making up things that aren't in his story. Which is it? Am I follow his story or not?
The reality is that I am following the evidence. The evidence is that regardless of what George says, the fight started below the T, and reality says that if someone approaches you demanding to know things, then it is entirely natural to close the distance to get into speaking range, you don't just stand there waiting for them to get to you looking like a knob. We do these things automatically without even thinking about it.
See this is what I meant right at the begining. I looked at the evidence, evaluated it and determined the logical actions based on the what the witnesses were saying and the other evidence. I then came to a conculsion on what I suspect happened based on that evidence. It has zero to do with what GZ claims, other than taking it into consideration with the other evidence. In most cases I think GZ's claims are wrong, that things didn't happen as he claims. But because my conclusions don't match your's, you instantly assume I am in the GZ camp and believe everything he says. You are so blinkered by your own biases, you can't see the forest for the trees.
Perhaps I've just never fought someone with super-human strength and speed that prevented me from running away because his devastating punches somehow made my legs stop working.
From your postings I really have to question if you have ever fought anyone in a real fight. Strangely enough one of the first thing we learned in Karate is that all those fancy kicks you learn mean nothing in a real fight because your legs will go wobby and stop working. The fact you think that it is easy to just disengage from someone throwing punches at you and run for it also speaks volumes.
So the fight moved and Zimmerman was actually standing and free from Martin's inescapable death-pin for an area of 10 to 25 feet (a detail Zimmerman obviously forgot to mention because of trauma), but even though they were in a wide open area, Zimmerman was completely and totally unable to escape.
You really have never been in a fight have you? Do you honestly think that people stand back and thrown punches from four or five feet away from each other? Perhaps you need to watch more boxing matches. Not really a good example of street brawling, but you'll quickly see that they go into a "huddle". It happens in real fights too, because by grabbing and holding your opponent you can limit their attacks on you. Real fights are closer to wrestling matches with punches being thrown at close quarters than two people standing waving their fists at each other. The only time you really get fighters standing back and circling each other is either at the very start, or where both have classical training of some sort.
Is that because Martin could teleport?
Or maybe he had stretching powers like Mr. Fantastic so that no matter how hard Zimmerman tried to get way, Martin's punches always found him?
If you actually knew more about fights happen in the real world you might be funny, as it is, really?
I'll guess we'll never know. The only thing we can be sure of is that despite the changing and conflicting details of Zimmerman's various accounts, there was no possible way he could have escaped Martin's unrelenting murder attempt. That's just a fact.
Again you really have no idea do you?
