NY Proposal to Screw Gun Owner's a Little Bit Further

Dr. Keith said:
Shhh! Blame the bunny! It works, trust me . . .


Or I could have said:

Yep, me too. It is hard to stay in the middle when the one side is pushing your buttons more. But the middle is where the solutions lie. Compromise needs to make a comeback.
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Which one is the bunny?! We should get him! Where's the ban hammer!?! :mad:
 
To be fair to Monty, that is the sort of event that insurance might cover.
 
Nessie said:
It appears little to nothing is good enough for the pro gun side.
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That's not true at all. The problem that we have, is that we're (gun owners) are expected to foot the bill for someone else's CRIMINAL deeds.

Nessie said:
I am back to the position I had before Sandy Hook, that nothing is going to happen and Americans will shoot and kill each other on a regular, daily basis and the gunners don't really care so long they get what they want. Tons of guns and little control.
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Sorry to hear about your continued ignorance. You really do need to pay attention better, and you'd know that isn't true.
 
monty1 said:
So just let it go, there's no gun problem.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/24/texas-4-year-old-dead-after-shooting-himself-with-fathers-gun/
4 year old found daddy's gun. 4 year olds obviously need to be taught to leave things alone that don't concern them. Stop blaming gun owners and those who stand up for their secund mendmunts rits.
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Hum. Did you read the story? You seem to have missed an entire paragraph. Here it is.

According to the Houston Chronicle, the serial number of the handgun was listed as stolen. Marquez Pratt was expected to face charges resulting from drugs and several weapons found in the home.
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Stolen gun, left unsecured by a criminal with drugs and other firearms in the house. Yeah, not so much there champ.
 
jimbob said:
To be fair to Monty, that is the sort of event that insurance might cover.
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Nope, criminal act. Possession of a stolen firearm. Criminal in possession of a firearm and drugs.

Sucks for the family. It really pisses me off that some poor innocent kid is dead because of some dirtbag. :mad::mad:
 
jimbob said:
To be fair to Monty, that is the sort of event that insurance might cover.
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Indeed it probably would. And all of the gungoon threads should be combined anyway. I could take half the comments and put them on any of those threads and they would belong. But it's not my issue and I'm not asking for it.
 
WildCat said:
That would certainly increase the number of FFL holders, many of which may never sell a single gun. If I were a gun show organizer, for example, I'd get one and become the sole person at the show authorized to do the checks.

Cha-ching!
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Doesn't that sound like a pretty large investment and a lot of paperwork and exposure just to make $20 a pop? I think you would do better by opening a McDonalds franchise.
 
tyr_13 said:
I'm a little more optimistic in that I think universal background checks and more crackdown on straw sales might actually get through. I'm of the opinion that these measures alone are worthwhile and possibly would have substantial effects on the gun supply to the unfit. (I have stopped supporting gun registration however as the anti-gun side has convinced me that they fully intend to use it in gun bans and not to crack down on straw purchases.)
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I fully support this as well. I know a lot of gun owners, and I don't know of any who don't support this.
 
monty1 said:
Indeed it probably would. And all of the gungoon threads should be combined anyway. I could take half the comments and put them on any of those threads and they would belong. But it's not my issue and I'm not asking for it.
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Wow, you really want to stifle free-speech on this issue, huh?

Well guess what, this isn't Canada. We appreciate and respect freedom of speech in this forum.
 
Courier said:
Wow, you really want to stifle free-speech on this issue, huh?

Well guess what, this isn't Canada. We appreciate and respect freedom of speech in this forum.
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My mistake, this isn't Canada and so the truth is I would like to stifle everything to do with gun control. It won't work anyway and like you said, it ain't Canada.
 
monty1 said:
My mistake, this isn't Canada and so the truth is I would like to stifle everything to do with gun control. It won't work anyway and like you said, it ain't Canada.
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If they just focus on universal background checks, it might pass.
 
triforcharity said:
That's not true at all. The problem that we have, is that we're (gun owners) are expected to foot the bill for someone else's CRIMINAL deeds.
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Car drivers pay part of their insurance to cover criminal deeds, primarily accidents in uninsured cars. I think that is reasonable and fairer than non car drivers picking up the bill. Sorry, but I think it is reasonable and fair for the gun makers, dealers and owners to pick up their bill on society, not the non gun owners.

That the bill is massive and could cost each gun owner a fortune is down to the failure to properly control guns. I think a big bill is a great incentive for those in the gun industry and owners to get their act together.


Sorry to hear about your continued ignorance. You really do need to pay attention better, and you'd know that isn't true.
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Yet since Sandy Hook there has been very little action to make gun control more effective.
 
Nessie said:
Yet since Sandy Hook there has been very little action to make gun control more effective.
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You know, I respect your opinions from the AG side of things, but you keep using SH as some springboard. My problem is that this incident (as horrid as it was) is not the major issue here. You can't use this as your focus point. The real problems are elsewhere, and the politicos can't get their collective heads out of their asses long enough to make sure it's addressed properly.
 
Chuck Guiteau said:
Doesn't that sound like a pretty large investment and a lot of paperwork and exposure just to make $20 a pop? I think you would do better by opening a McDonalds franchise.
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An FFL costs $200, I think that's a bit less than opening a McDonald's franchise.
 
Sabretooth said:
You know, I respect your opinions from the AG side of things, but you keep using SH as some springboard. My problem is that this incident (as horrid as it was) is not the major issue here. You can't use this as your focus point. The real problems are elsewhere, and the politicos can't get their collective heads out of their asses long enough to make sure it's addressed properly.
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I think Nessie is looking at it from a British perspective in the sense that a similar massacre happened at Dunblane in 1996 which led to strict gun laws. However, despite the massacre in Cumbria, AFAIK, gun laws weren't tightened.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
I think Nessie is looking at it from a British perspective in the sense that a similar massacre happened at Dunblane in 1996 which led to strict gun laws. However, despite the massacre in Cumbria, AFAIK, gun laws weren't tightened.
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After Cumbria there was nothing left to ban in knee-jerk fashion.
 
triforcharity said:
Nope, criminal act. Possession of a stolen firearm. Criminal in possession of a firearm and drugs.
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Yep, this is a fairly good example of how worthless the insurance would be. The rightful owner would simply report that the weapon was stolen and take it off his insurance. This guy would have an uninsured gun and since he doesn't have insurance he has no incentive to store his gun properly.

Tragedy happens, insurance doesn't pay.

It also highlights why the rates would be low: most of the damage done by guns would be done by uninsured guns.

Sucks for the family. It really pisses me off that some poor innocent kid is dead because of some dirtbag. :mad::mad:
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Yep. We can all agree that this guy shouldn't have had a gun.

Now, how does the most powerful nation in the world get around to making sure people like this don't have guns.
 
Sabretooth said:
I know you was just joshing me, but I know I come across as a huge gun nut in some of my posts. Honestly, I'm trying to dispel myths and find a fair balance in control laws vs. rights.
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Yeah, I think that is what tyr_13 and Nessie were coming at from opposite sides of the coin.

Seriously, I want it fixed. I want rules to be in place to protect the gun owners. Close the selling loopholes and come down hard on criminals. Get a licensing system in place. Register all handguns.

By protecting the gun owners and getting the illegal guns off the street, you've actually strengthened the country instead of weakening one side or the other.
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It baffles me that more gun owners don't see this as "protecting responsible gun owners". Sure, the furor over SH has waned, as is predictable, but there will be another mass killing and there will be another push for gun control. Why not be ahead of the curve and help to shape legislation that would have minimal impact on most gun owners but actually put a dent in gun violence.

Sabretooth said:
Which one is the bunny?! We should get him! Where's the ban hammer!?! :mad:
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See, it's easy once you get in the habit of banning the rabbit!

Sabretooth said:
ETA: I see the good non-doctor already pointed that out, thank you.
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FTFY
 
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