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Janadele said:
That is your choice Astreja, and you can also choose not to visit this thread.

This thread evolved from another thread in which off topic questions regarding the Teachings and Doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were being asked. The purpose of this thread is to answer those questions, if appropriate, and to clear up misunderstandings and misconceptions for those who are interested in the truth.
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So does this mean you'll start answering questions?
 
Nay_Sayer said:
Word Salad, Please address the questions at hand.

Tell me more about why a childing having cancer and having to go through painful chemo is their own fault.
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She is careful to say it's not the child's fault. It's someone's. Probably yours. If there's a distinction here between Janadele's position and that of the zanies who think massive tidal waves and floods are God's way of telling us to stop tolerating homosexuals it's poorly articulated.
 
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Janadele said:
That is your choice Astreja, and you can also choose not to visit this thread.
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I shall not be silenced. I'm staying, and I'll continue to criticize the fraudulent work of Joseph Smith.

If your god has any problem with this, Janadele, kindly have it speak to Me in person.
 
Pixel42 said:
Give me one good reason why I should believe a word of this, or any of the other LDS doctrine you've preached...
And btw I did do the "sincerely ask God if it's true and see if you get a burning in the bosom" thing the first time I had this conversation with a Mormon. Nada.
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Pixel, if you are sincere and listen, the Spirit of Jesus will testify to you. Your own Spirit will also. It is not just a matter of "sincerely ask God if it's true and see if you get a burning in the bosom" which you say you have done. In this reference, are you referring to the promise of the Lord as stated in the Book of Mormon: "And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, He will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost." This is a specific promise to those who sincerely read at least 50 pages of the version published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of the Book of Mormon. Each word of this promise is significant. Did you "receive these things" did you "have faith in Christ" before asking the Eternal Father? Notice also there is no mention of "a burning" within the promise. As I have stated earlier in this thread, my own personal experience was an all encompassing warmth or burning within, plus an overwhelming opening up of understanding and knowledge and a certainty of truth which could not be denied.
 
Janadele said:
Pixel, if you are sincere and listen, the Spirit of Jesus will testify to you. Your own Spirit will also. It is not just a matter of "sincerely ask God if it's true and see if you get a burning in the bosom" which you say you have done. In this reference, are you referring to the promise of the Lord as stated in the Book of Mormon: "And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, He will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost." This is a specific promise to those who sincerely read at least 50 pages of the version published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of the Book of Mormon. Each word of this promise is significant. Did you "receive these things" did you "have faith in Christ" before asking the Eternal Father? Notice also there is no mention of "a burning" within the promise. As I have stated earlier in this thread, my own personal experience was an all encompassing warmth or burning within, plus an overwhelming opening up of understanding and knowledge and a certainty of truth which could not be denied.
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So the evidence of the truth of Mormonism is exactly the same as the evidence so often offered to support the truth of virtually every other religion.
 
Janadele said:
There can be no discussion with those who mock and scorn sacred matters.

2 Nephi 28:30.
“Saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more.”
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...so all you have to do is claim that honest, patiently repeated for which you have no answers other than to spout catechism are mocking scorn, and you can pretend to the moral high ground?

Which of the anachronisms claimed in the BoM have been demonstrated, by honest, practical, empirical, physical evidence, attested to and presented by neutral sources, to have exiosted in the pre-Colombian Americas?

In your opinion, when did the "Eve" and "Adam" of this universe exist?

In your opinion, when did the punitive gloabl flood on this planter happen?
 
Janadele said:
Pixel, if you are sincere and listen, the Spirit of Jesus will testify to you.
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Like I said, I tried that. Nothing.

There are plenty of other people who have tried it - people who were brought up in the LDS, studied the Book of Mormon from cover to cover, believed with all their hearts, and were devastated when they failed to get the testimony they had been promised. Some were led away from the LDS and towards other churches by exactly the kind of experience you describe. You can read some of their stories here. But I'm sure you won't.
 
janadele said:
astreja said:
look, janadele, it's as simple as this: we don't believe you, and we don't believe joseph smith.
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that is your choice astreja, and you can also choose not to visit this thread.
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Your posting of abject nonsense and your self-righteous expectation that it will not be met with the scorn, derision, disbelief and ridicule that it so richly deserves is at the heart of the problem that god-botherers everywhere should acknowledge as the second-biggest obstacle they face in conveying their message.

The fact that their message itself is utter bilge being, of course, the first and biggest obstacle.


janadele said:
This thread evolved from another thread in which off topic questions regarding the teachings and doctrines of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints were being asked.
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No, not really. It's actually nothing more than the result of a realisation that the original thread failed dismally in its intent to preach the beliefs of the cult of LDS.


janadele said:
The purpose of this thread is to answer those questions, if appropriate, and to clear up misunderstandings and misconceptions for those who are interested in the truth.
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Against all odds, it's achieved that purpose pretty well, despite your input.
 
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Susheel said:
I think there is a fundamental issue with this thread. I dont think Janadele is even pretending to offer up objective evidence to the claims of the LDS patriarch/s unlike another thread about an old stained bedsheet. She is here purely to proselytize and there is really no benefit from arguing for evidence. She doesn't want to discuss or learn, she is primarily interested in preaching the "benefits" of her religion.
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Only this, and nothing more.


Susheel said:
Having said that, I have learned a lot about the LDS through this thread. :)
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Yeah, me too.

Prior to this thread I was happy to live and let live but now I'm all, like "Whoa! This type of not-thinking is actually damaging."
 
Janadele said:
In order to further progress, and to receive an immortal resurrected body in which our Intelligence and Spiritual body will dwell for eternity, we chose to come to this earth on probation. Free agency to choose good or evil and then to reap the consequences, must be allowed for ALL, in order to enable judgement. The sufferings and evils of the world have been brought about by the choices mankind has made both in the past, and in our lifetime, and which future generations may inherit.
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So the next time I see someone endanger one of my kids, I'll just let him do it; after all, I wouldn't want to interfere with his free will or his reaping of the consequences. In fact, I'll give up prosecuting criminals for a living. I'm probably preventing some of them from committing future crimes, and disabling their judgment.

Janadele said:
"And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, He will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost." This is a specific promise to those who sincerely read at least 50 pages of the version published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of the Book of Mormon
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So no one can get this message unless they are already Christian? Do you have to convert to some other form of Christianity before you can be promoted to LDS?
 
Janadele said:
Pixel, if you are sincere and listen, the Spirit of Jesus will testify to you. [snip preaching].
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Janadele, "believe and you will see" doesn't work with any moderately rational person, whatever religion or belief you're trying to peddle. It doesn't work with psychics' claims, it doesn't work with voodoo, it won't work with mormonism either.

Furthermore, refusing to acknowledge the blatant incoherences and outright falsehoods in your religion and evading questions through posting walls of preachy text make you look like a dishonest fool, and ensures that anyone reading this thread won't ever take mormonism seriously.

Why then do you keep doing such a disservice to your religion ? What are you expecting to achieve ?
 
Janadele said:
Pixel, if you are sincere and listen, the Spirit of Jesus will testify to you. Your own Spirit will also.
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It doesn't matter how sincere one is, fantasies relating to the receipt of instructions from disembodied entities as to how one should conduct oneself in the real world are a cause for concern.

Seek help.


Janadele said:
It is not just a matter of "sincerely ask God if it's true and see if you get a burning in the bosom" which you say you have done.
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Then why did you describe (and continue to describe, with ever-increasing embellishment) your own epiphany in exactly these terms?


Janadele said:
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As I have stated earlier in this thread, my own personal experience was an all encompassing warmth or burning within, plus an overwhelming opening up of understanding and knowledge and a certainty of truth which could not be denied.
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Oh, it can be denied alright, but it takes critical thought.

Alas!
 
Janadele said:
Pixel, if you are sincere and listen, the Spirit of Jesus will testify to you. Your own Spirit will also. It is not just a matter of "sincerely ask God if it's true and see if you get a burning in the bosom" which you say you have done. In this reference, are you referring to the promise of the Lord as stated in the Book of Mormon: "And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, He will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost." This is a specific promise to those who sincerely read at least 50 pages of the version published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of the Book of Mormon. Each word of this promise is significant. Did you "receive these things" did you "have faith in Christ" before asking the Eternal Father? Notice also there is no mention of "a burning" within the promise. As I have stated earlier in this thread, my own personal experience was an all encompassing warmth or burning within, plus an overwhelming opening up of understanding and knowledge and a certainty of truth which could not be denied.
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So if I read the 50 pages of the BoM and don't become a Mormon I'm insincere, my intent was not real and I had no faith.

Nice choice you offer there.:(


No amount of faith could hide the steel, barley and horses.

ETA: This understanding and knowledge is not evident in your posts
 
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Foster Zygote said:
The Aten certainly causes a burning sensation in everyone who beholds it.
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I've been burnt over my whole body and I was infused with the knowledge and understanding that passing out in the sun was wrong.

Aten 1

JS's god 0
 
tsig said:
ETA: This understanding and knowledge is not evident in your posts
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Indeed.

I'd be very interested to learn more about Janadele's understanding of ancient Egyptian customs, culture, religion and language and how she has drawn upon that knowledge to arrive at her surety that Joseph Smith's translation of the Book of Abraham is valid.
 
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