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[SezMe]

past[/HILITE], present, or future. When a person prophesies, he speaks or writes that which God wants him to know."

Fantastic! While sitting on my white porcelain throne during my morning ablutions, god spoke to me in a deep, profound voice: "The one known in your world as Akhenaten had a birthday exactly one year ago!!11!!!Eleventy!" Fortunately, the experience scared the **** out of me so I was able to get on with my day. Forsooth, I came to visit Randi-land only to find out it was true. All bow down.

 

[SezMe]

Long story short, I think some of us simply don't have the capability to do the mental gymnastics that religion and faith requires. I genuinely wonder if our brains aren't just inherently different than believers.

No evolution? Piffle. Just look, you've evolved from a plant to a dog almost overnight. Suck that, naysayers.

 

[pakeha]

Akhenaten, I do not believe you are "seeking evidence"... to the contrary in fact. The list of fulfilled prophecies is innumerable. But I have no intention of wasting my time researching them for you. You can find them easily enough, if you wish to do so.

Why not give us some examples of what you consider to be a fulfilled prophecy, Janadele?

One thing I've noticed- Janadele is the only Mormon here who's gone to bat for the BoA.

 

[Wolrab]

The Hill Cumorah Pageant is a wonderful inspirational event... inspired of God.

Nah. Third rate lip-synch fest. Light show ain't bad, especially when....enhanced.

 

[Astreja]

Weird that Smith cut all the hieroglyphs. If the parchment was really a godly heritage then Smith voluntarily hid parts of the message. Is that a standard behaviour for seers?

I think that's an implicit admission that Smith was playing fast and loose with the truth, and knew it. If it were a genuine holy artifact, wouldn't he have been more diligent in its reproduction?

JS, you're busted!

 

[Pup]

I think that's an implicit admission that Smith was playing fast and loose with the truth, and knew it. If it were a genuine holy artifact, wouldn't he have been more diligent in its reproduction?

There are hieroglyphics reproduced by Smith and even an "Egyptian alphabet and grammar" written by him.

http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm

Look on that page for Facsimile 2 and Facsimile 3 for examples of hieroglyphics that he copied, and scroll way down for the alphabet and grammar.

Edited to add: the whole webpage is a good summary of the evidence against the BoA being an actual translation, as if any more evidence was needed, but it also has a good summary toward the bottom of various LDS apologetic views, titled "Rationalizations by faithful LDS to explain the controversy." James Randi even gets a mention in the "critics" section.

 

[RandFan]

There are hieroglyphics reproduced by Smith and even an "Egyptian alphabet and grammar" written by him.

http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm

Look on that page for Facsimile 2 and Facsimile 3 for examples of hieroglyphics that he copied, and scroll way down for the alphabet and grammar.

From the explanation of Facsimile 2.

• Fig. 8. Contains writings that cannot be revealed unto the world; but is to be had in the Holy Temple of God.
• Fig. 9. Ought not to be revealed at the present time.
• Fig. 10. Also.
• Fig. 11. Also. If the world can find out these numbers, so let it be. Amen.
• Figures 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21 will be given in the own due time of the Lord.

Dog ate my homework.

 

[Empress]

No evolution? Piffle. Just look, you've evolved from a plant to a dog almost overnight. Suck that, naysayers.

You never fail to make me laugh out loud.

Why not give us some examples of what you consider to be a fulfilled prophecy, Janadele?

One thing I've noticed- Janadele is the only Mormon here who's gone to bat for the BoA.

To be fair, Cat Tale is intelligent and insists on approaching her faith with common sense, and skyrider refuses to do anything save play semantics with a martyr complex, so that only leaves Janadele and her LDS copypasta to believe in it.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

I think that's an implicit admission that Smith was playing fast and loose with the truth, and knew it. If it were a genuine holy artifact, wouldn't he have been more diligent in its reproduction?

JS, you're busted!

I see it more like an admission of his inability to read them, but we're getting more or less to the same point

There are hieroglyphics reproduced by Smith and even an "Egyptian alphabet and grammar" written by him.

http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm

Look on that page for Facsimile 2 and Facsimile 3 for examples of hieroglyphics that he copied, and scroll way down for the alphabet and grammar.

Edited to add: the whole webpage is a good summary of the evidence against the BoA being an actual translation, as if any more evidence was needed, but it also has a good summary toward the bottom of various LDS apologetic views, titled "Rationalizations by faithful LDS to explain the controversy." James Randi even gets a mention in the "critics" section.

Good read thanks! I was interested in the Ritner review, which is not linked. I found it here http://www.utlm.org/other/robertritnerpapyriarticle.pdf
eta: it was linked my bad

From the explanation of Facsimile 2.

Dog ate my homework.

Haha

 

[Slowvehicle]

Ah, but Janadele isn't here to get us to believe her. She's here so she can feel persecuted and martyred for her religion. Judging from the other forums where she's followed the same pattern, it's her favorite hobby. Right up there with being snotty and condescending to "non members" in person, I'm sure.

MartyrCard^TM...don't "pierce the veil" without it...

 

[Janadele]

So, since God knew this was going to happen , and did nothing to stop it, is he:
Powerless to stop such things, and therefore not all-powerful?

The Godhead of this earth,three separate personages, one in purpose... our Heavenly Father ( the actual Father of our Spiritual body) Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit... are each subject to Eternal Law, as are we all. Free agency is an integral part of Eternal Law.

We each existed as individual Intelligences of varying degrees of ability and power, previous to obtaining our Spiritual body... which then grew to maturity whilst housing our Intelligence, which also continued increasing in knowledge, according to our diligence and righteousness.

In order to further progress, and to receive an immortal resurrected body in which our Intelligence and Spiritual body will dwell for eternity, we chose to come to this earth on probation. Free agency to choose good or evil and then to reap the consequences, must be allowed for ALL, in order to enable judgement. The sufferings and evils of the world have been brought about by the choices mankind has made both in the past, and in our lifetime, and which future generations may inherit.

The suffering of the innocent is a consequence of the choices and actions of the causal perpetrators. It is the wicked who transgress Eternal Law NOT God.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

The Godhead of this earth,three separate personages, one in purpose... our Heavenly Father ( the actual Father of our Spiritual body) Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit... are each subject to Eternal Law, as are we all. Free agency is an integral part of Eternal Law.

We each existed as individual Intelligences of varying degrees of ability and power, previous to obtaining our Spiritual body... which then grew to maturity whilst housing our Intelligence, which also continued increasing in knowledge, according to our diligence and righteousness.

In order to further progress, and to receive an immortal resurrected body in which our Intelligence and Spiritual body will dwell for eternity, we chose to come to this earth on probation. Free agency to choose good or evil and then to reap the consequences, must be allowed for ALL, in order to enable judgement. The sufferings and evils of the world have been brought about by the choices mankind has made both in the past, and in our lifetime, and which future generations may inherit.

The suffering of the innocent is a consequence of the choices and actions of the causal perpetrators. It is the wicked who transgress Eternal Law NOT God.

Word Salad, Please address the questions at hand.

Tell me more about why a childing having cancer and having to go through painful chemo is their own fault.

 

[AdMan]

The Godhead...

Yet more vapid, preaching nonsense snipped.

Janadele, why should we listen to your ********, since you appear to be so unwilling to honestly defend it?

Here's a prediction, better than any of Joe's were--Janadele won't answer, except with more idiotic preaching.

 

[Janadele]

Look, Janadele, it's as simple as this: We don't believe you, and we don't believe Joseph Smith.

That is your choice Astreja, and you can also choose not to visit this thread.

This thread evolved from another thread in which off topic questions regarding the Teachings and Doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were being asked. The purpose of this thread is to answer those questions, if appropriate, and to clear up misunderstandings and misconceptions for those who are interested in the truth. [/QUOTE]

 

[AdMan]

Janadele, why won't you engage in honest discussion?

 

[RandFan]

The suffering of the innocent is a consequence of the choices and actions of the causal perpetrators. It is the wicked who transgress Eternal Law NOT God.

Mythology. You've no evidence of this at all. It's as demonstrable as leprechauns or fairies. You are a slave to ordinary people who control your thoughts and actions.

 

[Pixel42]

The Godhead of this earth,three separate personages, one in purpose... our Heavenly Father ( the actual Father of our Spiritual body) Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit... are each subject to Eternal Law, as are we all. Free agency is an integral part of Eternal Law.

We each existed as individual Intelligences of varying degrees of ability and power, previous to obtaining our Spiritual body... which then grew to maturity whilst housing our Intelligence, which also continued increasing in knowledge, according to our diligence and righteousness.

In order to further progress, and to receive an immortal resurrected body in which our Intelligence and Spiritual body will dwell for eternity, we chose to come to this earth on probation. Free agency to choose good or evil and then to reap the consequences, must be allowed for ALL, in order to enable judgement. The sufferings and evils of the world have been brought about by the choices mankind has made both in the past, and in our lifetime, and which future generations may inherit.

The suffering of the innocent is a consequence of the choices and actions of the causal perpetrators. It is the wicked who transgress Eternal Law NOT God.

Give me one good reason why I should believe a word of this, or any of the other LDS doctrine you've preached. So far this thread has consisted entirely of good reasons why I shouldn't.

And btw I did do the "sincerely ask God if it's true and see if you get a burning in the bosom" thing the first time I had this conversation with a Mormon. Nada.

 

[RandFan]

That is your choice Astreja, and you can also choose not to visit this thread.

It's your choice to ignore facts which there have been many. Take the BofA, a clear fraud. It's not just a fraud but it's an embarrassingly bad fraud.

 

[Janadele]

Janadele, why won't you engage in honest discussion?

There can be no discussion with those who mock and scorn sacred matters.

2 Nephi 28:30.
“Saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more.”

 

[Filippo Lippi]

There can be no discussion with those who mock and scorn sacred matters.

2 Nephi 28:30.
“Saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more.”

I'd like some evidence that some "matters" are sacred. And just to be clear, copy and pasting purest Smith-Drivel isn't evidence