Are newborn babies atheist?

I assume you mean here the babies. It's simple their elders!

.- But who taught the elders? and the elders of the elders? and so on.

This is exactly how religious people TODAY become Jews, Protestants or Muslims

.- First, I'm not talking about religions. Second long, LONG before Abrahamic beliefs there were also beliefs in gods, deities, spirits, etc ANYWHERE. Please, explain me like I was 5 years old, how the idea of a deity came up in the first place.
 
We are done, you ask for a word that has changed, I said look up "gay".


Second, I'm not new here, people know me, so I've been with some in person, they will see that you are reading what you want to read.

Bye, Ignore is a nice funtion.



Paul


:) :) :)
 
Last edited:
Charlie Brown said:
I assume you mean here the babies. It's simple their elders!

.- But who taught the elders? and the elders of the elders? and so on.

This is exactly how religious people TODAY become Jews, Protestants or Muslims

.- First, I'm not talking about religions. Second long, LONG before Abrahamic beliefs there were also beliefs in gods, deities, spirits, etc ANYWHERE. Please, explain me like I was 5 years old, how the idea of a deity came up in the first place.
Click to expand...

Please, learn to do quotes.

Okay, the 5 year old version: "it's a way of explaining things you don't understand".
 
"Okay, the 5 year old version: "it's a way of explaining things you don't understand". "

,- Yes, that's precisely my point. And it's been my point from the start.
I totally agree.
Absolutely.
That's, in simple words, how deities and the supernatural came up.

What's with the insults?
 
Last edited:
Charlie Brown said:
.- WTF is this?
I thought this was an educational foundation, a respectable place.
Click to expand...

This
adverb
pronoun
1.
(used to indicate a person, thing, idea, state, event, time, remark, etc., as present, near, just mentioned or pointed out, supposed to be understood, or by way of emphasis): This is my coat.
2.
(used to indicate one of two or more persons, things, etc., referring to the one nearer in place, time, or thought; opposed to that ): This is Liza and that is Amy.
3.
(used to indicate one of two or more persons, things, etc., implying a contrast or contradistinction; opposed to that ): I'd take that instead of this.
4.
what is about to follow: Now hear this! Watch this!
adjective
5.
(used to indicate a person, place, thing, or degree as present, near, just indicated or mentioned, or as well-known or characteristic): These people are my friends. This problem has worried me for a long time.
6.
(used to indicate the nearer in time, place, or thought of two persons, things, etc.; opposed to that ).
7.
(used to imply mere contradistinction; opposed to that ).
8.
(used in place of an indefinite article for emphasis): I was walking down the street when I heard this explosion.


Consider yourself educated. Please leave the money on the fridge.
 
BTW, You *badly* need a grammar checker, as your syntax is atrocious...

.- While I don't think it's atrocious, at least I have a good excuse: English is not my first language.

You can be sure my English is better than your Spanish.
 
"I thought this was an educational foundation, a respectable place."

Please, educate me.

What's the "grammatically correct" way to construct the sentence above?
 
.- Gay didn't changed radically. Its primary definition is still the same.

They just added Homosexual people.

A homosexual person always has been associated with having or showing a merry, lively mood.
 
Last edited:
Kid Eager said:
barrack
boot
gay
macintosh

BTW, You *badly* need a grammar checker, as your syntax is atrocious...
Click to expand...



My friend James Randi has often said that the dictionary shows current usage of a word, it does not set the limit to the usage of the word.


Many atheist friends have said that they think that being an atheist is the default position of a person, having a religion is something one learns. True we as humans can learn religion, but that is just one of many things that a human can learn. We learn language, music, taste in food, art etc. they are not built into us. And just because we can learn something does not mean it is the default position. If one does not learn a language by a certain age (sign language included) that skill is lost and I would not be surprised to learn that it is true for other skills. We only learn what they are because of conditions outside the norm, we don’t test for them because to do so is immoral.


So, being an atheist is the default position seeing that one learns religion from others.


Also, if one does not believe in someone else’s type of god, you are an atheist to them. Christians were called atheist because they didn’t believe in the Roman gods.

Paul


:) :) :)
 
Last edited:
True we as humans can learn religion,

.- Again buddy, and I'm sorry to be so repetitive but


Who's talking about religion?

Please, take the word "Religion" out of this discussion. PLEASE.
Religion has nothing to do with what we are talking here.
Theism, Deities, Magical thinking and Religion are different things.
A belief in deities is not necessarily connected to a Religion.

A Religion is a set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. This set of beliefs and practices can be taught.



Theism is the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, this belief may or may not have a set beliefs and practices.

A Deity is just a supernatural being.

I'm interested in HOW and WHY people believe in DEITIES and also the Supernatural, myths, superstitions etc and the primary origin of this beliefs.

And why people seems to have a tendency to embrace those things.
 
"My friend James Randi has often said that the dictionary..."

.- I seriously doubt Mr. Randi would have ever said nor seriously considered something as asinine as "Babies are Atheists because they are totally unaware of gods"

Well, Dogs, Hens, pigs, etc are also totally unaware of gods.

And, like newborn babies, they don't have a conscience. OH, Please! A newborn doesn't even have fully developed organs and senses. They basically sleep, eat and pooh-pee.

Are animals Atheists?

This question may sound ridiculous and childish, OK! Yes it does sound ridiculous. And childish.

But wait! animals actually have all the requisites to fit in this model.

Yeap, they do.

Again: Are animals Atheists?

If your answer is NO, please give me a valid, logical reason why babies can be considered atheists and dogs can't.
 
Last edited:
Charlie Brown said:
.- The video is basically uninformed nonsense and logical fallacies...
Click to expand...
What are they then?



She is using a false, etymologically incorrect, ridiculous and non accepted definition of Atheism.
Click to expand...
You don't agree with her self-identification. So?



Charlie Brown said:
Theism is the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, this belief may or may not have a set beliefs and practices.
Click to expand...
Not necessarily. If you took a gander at your handy dictionary, you'll see that theism is not limited to what you wrote.


A Deity is just a supernatural being.
Click to expand...
A deity is vague and ill-defined and means whatever the person wants it to mean.



I'm interested in HOW and WHY people believe in DEITIES and also the Supernatural, myths, superstitions etc and the primary origin of this beliefs.

And why people seems to have a tendency to embrace those things.
Click to expand...
This probably isn't the thread for that topic; there have been other threads that are more suitable. Perhaps you can start one of your own?
 
You don't agree with her self-identification. So?

.- Have you read the replies, definitions and arguments of this thread?

It would be good.

Let me give a hint: is way more than just "ME" or "MY" opinion.



Not necessarily. If you took a gander at your handy dictionary, you'll see that theism is not limited to what you wrote.




.- I seriously recommend you to do a research before posting.

Every single definition I've written in this forum is basically a literal copy of a dictionary. Sometimes I condense them, but they are all literal definition from dictionaries.

I never, EVER, make definitions up.

The actual definition of the vast majority of dictionaries is even narrower and they limit the definition of deity even further: A god or Goddess.

Some (out of many) examples:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/deity?q=Deity
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deity
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deity
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deity
http://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=Deity


The "Deity" definition in my reply, while very condensed, is the broadest I could find and from "not so reputable" dictionaries.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity
And:
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/deity

But the bottom line is that a Deity is basically a Supernatural Being.
 
Last edited:
"Fear. Hope. Frustration. Telling tall tales around campfires.If you want to add "divine guidance" to the list you may be out of luck."

.- And the scariest of all Campfire's tales: Atheists giving away arguments to discredit Atheism and putting "weapons of mass indoctrination" in the hands of Religious, believers and Theists!!

Nooooo! "The Homeopathic Atheist, the less you know, the stronger your atheism is."

Now, seriously

I'd like to recommend everyone to read at least several replies, definitions and arguments of this thread before posting.
 
Charlie Brown said:
I'd like to recommend everyone to read at least several replies, definitions and arguments of this thread before posting.
Click to expand...

So, this means, "Your not giving me the answers I want, we all must see things the same".


Paul


:) :) :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom