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[Sideroxylon]

Friendly and lively way.... LOL

You might find a friendlier attitude if you showed some respect towards your fellow members by engaging them. Despite that several posters have shown a lot of patience and courtesy towards you.

Still, you would be pushing it up a steep hill to argue against problems like the blatant misrepresentation of Facsimile 1, the absurd North American anachronisms and the past racist doctrine of your church. It's understandable that you cannot engage in any kind of discussion with sceptics.

 

[Mashuna]

Friendly and lively way.... LOL

Well, if you won't discuss. . .

 

[Slowvehicle]

Akhenaten, I do not believe you are "seeking evidence"... to the contrary in fact. The list of fulfilled prophecies is innumerable. But I have no intention of wasting my time researching them for you. You can find them easily enough, if you wish to do so.

You keep saying that--and not providing any examples.

How about those anachronisms in the BoM?

 

[desertgal]

Friendly and lively way.... LOL

Vapid preaching is not discussion.

Happy Birthday, O Pharaoh!

 

[Empress]

What I don't get about religion is the difference between being told I'd have to believe the above, and being told as Janadele does that I'd have to believe something blatantly contradictory to readily available evidence.

Beelzebuddy's propose paragraph above doesn't do anything positive for me emotionally, but I could see that if it did and such emotion was really important to me, it's something I could believe. That's pretty much how Cat Tail and I can get along. There are things that are important to me too, that don't do anything for her, but she recognizes that they mean something to me.

But I simply can't see how or why a person could or would want to convince themselves to ignore actual evidence. It would just be impossible for me. I feel like I'd have to be insane or something.

Not sure my point. I guess that there are different levels of religion and faith, and it takes a different kind of person to close their minds to such an extent that they can deny the obvious.

Precisely, Pup.

Cool story, Sis:

I was raised that evolution was an evil lie by Satan (or words to that effect) and that Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden was literally true. Most Mormons that I know still believe this--it's such a great thing to see your sensible wife who approaches her faith with logic and reason--and on my father's side, he was raised with it, and this was prior to the Pope coming out and saying there was no contradiction between Genesis and evolution so he also denied evolution.

So I went along through childhood believing that Adam and Eve and the serpent was fact. Worked fine the first few years. Then I started growing up and thinking for myself. None of this stuff started making sense. Final death blow for my faith--started studying evolution in school. Here I'd been taught all my life that it was a lie, and I start reading about it, and there are mountains of evidence to support it. We can see it happening around us. The evidence extends over multiple disciplines. There was no way I could look at that and not grasp that evolution was a fact.

I realized then and there that what I had been duped, and I still remember the feeling today--abject humiliation. Exact same feeling that I'd had years earlier when I realized there was no Santa Claus. Except now I realized that there was no god. I was utterly and hopelessly mortified that I hadn't figured that out long before, and instead believed something so moronic with no evidence except some old stories. Yet my seven siblings also studied evolution and still stuck with the "evolution is a lie" stance that we'd been taught. Something that seemed stark raving mad to me, was perfectly okay with them, yet we'd been raised with the same fairy tale. For me, at about 12 years of age, the evidence was all that mattered. For my family, faith was all that mattered.

Long story short, I think some of us simply don't have the capability to do the mental gymnastics that religion and faith requires. I genuinely wonder if our brains aren't just inherently different than believers.

 

[Akhenaten]

Vapid preaching is not discussion.

Happy Birthday, O Pharaoh!

Perhaps it has a different meaning in Kolobese.

Cheers, ma'am.

 

[deaman]

It is only non believers who have no understanding and little knowledge of Spiritual matters who have reason to be embarrassed.

As already posted many times The Book of Abraham is official Scripture and therefore official Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp?lang=eng

And has already been posted, it is a fraud.

 

[Empress]

Akhenaten, I do not believe you are "seeking evidence"... to the contrary in fact. The list of fulfilled prophecies is innumerable. But I have no intention of wasting my time researching them for you. You can find them easily enough, if you wish to do so.

PROPHECIES AT TEN PACES!!

Okay, let's go with a Mormon favorite: D&C 87

Verse 1: Civil war beginning in S Carolina. Point: Joseph Smith
Verse 2: That Civil war will be poured out all over the world. Oopsie. Point: Skeptics.

Well, there went that prophecy, unless you like to say that a prophet making official prophecy can be only partly right, and still have a direct line to an omniscient god. We'll have to wait for a ref to rule, but until then, I'm calling this as unfulfilled.

Your turn to choose a prophecy.

 

[Craig4]

NO

When did Mary and God get married? Now that we're on the subject, when did Mary consent to carry God's love child? So, God is a rapist and Jesus his bastard.

 

[Craig4]

Certainly not the 2nd Prolob.

This has all been addressed previously but I can do so again if necessary.

Again? Now that's funny.

 

[Astreja]

Look, Janadele, it's as simple as this: We don't believe you, and we don't believe Joseph Smith.

Moreover, the discrepancy between the Book of Breathing and the Book of Abraham is damning evidence that Mr. Smith was not inspired by a god but by his own imagination. Quite frankly, if you lined up every single LDS scholar on one side of a hall and a single undergraduate Egyptologist on the other side, I'd hand the trophy to the Egyptologist without a moment's hesitation. I'm seriously thinking of creating an anti-tract with the real translation of the Book of Breathing to distribute to wandering Mormon "elders."

And I will never forgive LDS for its interference in the California Proposition 8 debate. If I had the political and legal power, LDS would already be stripped of its tax-exempt status worldwide and its properties sold off for back taxes.

Finally, repeatedly insulting us and threatening us with the wrath of your invisible friend simply isn't working. It's also documenting a rather sad picture of your religion, available to anyone on the Internet. If you take nothing else out of My message, please give that serious consideration.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

The crunch will come in the Eternities.

Yeah the kingdom of god will come in an eternity or two, we know, as it's already 2000 years we've been laughing at your inane belief.

 

[desertgal]

Look, Janadele, it's as simple as this: We don't believe you, and we don't believe Joseph Smith.<snip>

Ah, but Janadele isn't here to get us to believe her. She's here so she can feel persecuted and martyred for her religion. Judging from the other forums where she's followed the same pattern, it's her favorite hobby. Right up there with being snotty and condescending to "non members" in person, I'm sure.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Yeah the kingdom of god will come in an eternity or two, we know, as it's already 2000 years we've been laughing at your inane belief.

It's all they have, The feigning hope that they can laugh forever at suffering souls, Gloating to themselves until the end of time how they got it right.

 

[deaman]

It's all they have, The feigning hope that they can laugh forever at suffering souls, Gloating to themselves until the end of time how they got it right.

That seems very true, and incredibly pathetic.

I guess they will be just like thier god, looking to crucify someone, somewhere, even if it's your own bastard, children.

 

[RandFan]

Akhenaten, I do not believe you are "seeking evidence"... to the contrary in fact. The list of fulfilled prophecies is innumerable. But I have no intention of wasting my time researching them for you. You can find them easily enough, if you wish to do so.

It's not our job to do your work.

The philosophical burden of proof or onus (probandi) is the obligation on a party in an epistemic dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position.

 

[RandFan]

The crunch will come in the Eternities.

The form of the Destructor has been chosen.

And here I thought it would be the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man.

 

[Astreja]

And here I thought it would be the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.

Nah, he's still sulking after

getting 15th degree Proton Pack burns. 27,000 cubic feet of Rice Krispie cake FTW!

Oh, and Janadele? U no can haz Joey Smith as ur celestial Significant Other.

 

[Agatha]

If you can point to some fulfilled prophecies, Janadele, I'm sure many people would be interested. So far, those theists who say they can show fulfilled prophecies have largely come up empty.

Congratulations on making another revolution round the sun, O Pharaoh.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

Source.

[qimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img15/332/papyrusq.jpg[/qimg]

The above is a photograph of Joseph Smithʼs purchased papyri.

[qimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img600/623/facsimile1.png[/qimg]

The above is Joseph Smithʼs interpretation of ʻFacsimile 1.

[qimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img706/4407/facsimile2.jpg[/qimg]

The true ʻFacsimile 1ʼ as depicted in numerous Egyptian Book of the Dead documents

Weird that Smith cut all the hieroglyphs. If the parchment was really a godly heritage then Smith voluntarily hid parts of the message. Is that a standard behaviour for seers?