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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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How about three aimed shots in 6-8 seconds with the first bullet already chambered? Sight-BANG!-chamber a round-aim-BANG!-chamber a round-aim-BANG!

Yes, possible. But there were more than 3 shots. With Jerroll Custers' account of a fragment falling out of K's back, and Dr. Humes and Finck probing the wound to a dead end, we have at least 5 shots: one to the back that went nowhere, one to the throat as an entrance wound, one to Connally, one to K's head and one miss.
 
"According to the Single Bullet Theory, a three-centimeter (1.2")-long copper-jacketed lead-core 6.5-millimeter rifle bullet fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository passed through President Kennedy’s neck and Governor Connally’s chest and wrist and embedded itself in the Governor’s thigh. If so, this bullet traversed 15 layers of clothing, 7 layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone. The [alleged] bullet was found on a gurney in the corridor at the Parkland Memorial Hospital, in Dallas, after the assassination."

A bullet from a high-powered rifle can't do that? Please demonstrate how you know this.

And his analysis sounds pretty convincing if you don't know the rest of the story, or I should say the beginning of the story. Because, according to x-ray technician Jerroll Custer, when they sat Kennedy up to take the skull films, a large bullet fragment just popped out of K's back. ("In the Eye of History" P. 122) Thus, that missle could not have possibly been a so-called 'Magic" bullet which also renders the Parkland bullet irrelevant. Therefore, it is most likely that there were more than 3 shots fired, and thus a conspiracy even if only based on that fact alone.

A book of anecdotes recorded from forty-year old recollections by a conspiracy theorist. Try a better source.
 
Yes, possible. But there were more than 3 shots. With Jerroll Custers' account of a fragment falling out of K's back, and Dr. Humes and Finck probing the wound to a dead end, we have at least 5 shots: one to the back that went nowhere, one to the throat as an entrance wound, one to Connally, one to K's head and one miss.

Your evidence is weak and unconvincing.
 
Yes, possible. But there were more than 3 shots. With Jerroll Custers' account of a fragment falling out of K's back, and Dr. Humes and Finck probing the wound to a dead end, we have at least 5 shots: one to the back that went nowhere, one to the throat as an entrance wound, one to Connally, one to K's head and one miss.

Nope, just three.
 
So it took 5 professional assassins to kill JFK? And CTists complain Oswald was a lousy shot while 80% of their professional assassins couldn't hit the head of a man sitting in a slow moving car.
 
So it took 5 professional assassins to kill JFK? And CTists complain Oswald was a lousy shot while 80% of their professional assassins couldn't hit the head of a man sitting in a slow moving car.

It's one of the things that I came to realise about the multiple gunmen theorists is that they'd have to be the worst bunch in the world hired by an incompetent. Engineering a most audacious crime such as the assassination of a President would mean you'd want the minimum of people involved. One tight team of a sniper and spotter using, say something like a Remington 700. Something that is quick, accurate and causing enough confusion to allow you to be on your toes before anyone realises what's going on. Get a team that shows proficiency and competence and have some experience, and can blend into a crowd.
 
Do You Believe in Magic?​
Come now, Mr. Prey, you're not changing the conversation again? Why, it's as if you abandon issues due to not being able to support even one of your assertions with just a single degree of evidence and can't bring yourself to concede others have brought more fact and related proof to the table all the while you have been merely a tenacious advocate for nothing more than a ficticious construct of the most fantastic kind.

Oh, wait.
 
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It's one of the things that I came to realise about the multiple gunmen theorists is that they'd have to be the worst bunch in the world hired by an incompetent. Engineering a most audacious crime such as the assassination of a President would mean you'd want the minimum of people involved. One tight team of a sniper and spotter using, say something like a Remington 700. Something that is quick, accurate and causing enough confusion to allow you to be on your toes before anyone realises what's going on. Get a team that shows proficiency and competence and have some experience, and can blend into a crowd.

Like many of these insane hypotheses, the multiple gunman theory exists only to provide conspiracy theorists with a "smoking gun". It has absolutely no utility in the real word.
 
Despite the probability that this has been mentioned before, I am going to bring up something based on personal experience and observation.

I live near Dallas, I have been to the "6th" floor museum (it's really on the 5th floor as I'm sure everyone knows) and I am an experienced target shooter. I was in the US Army and scored expert with a rifle and marksman with a pistol. I have improved my skills with both types of firearms through extensive practice and participation in competitive shooting.

On my first trip to the SBD, I was astounded at how easy the shot would have been from the "sniper's nest". Even allowing for the actual shooting perch being ~10 feet higher up, the shot is very simple to anyone who has received a decent amount of training and all USMC riflemen (EVERYONE in the USMC is a rifleman first) get very intense rifle training.

3 shots in 6 to 8 seconds with a bolt action rifle from that distance on a slow moving target, very, very doable.

Of course to Robert Prey, this is going to be labeled speculation but I consider it an educated observation by a knowledgeable person. Kind of like the 40 witnesses he keeps mentioning.

Robert, I have not read every line you have ever written but I have one question for you if you wouldn't consider it to difficult to answer. I'm sure it's been asked before.

Why has NO ONE come forward in nearly 50 years and admitted they were part of the huge conspiracy? If they have, I have missed the report on that.
 
Several people have, but they are not able to support their claims with anything more than an annectdote. More often the confession will be reported second hand and will be conveniently after the supposed assassin is dead, senile, or otherwise unable to confirm or deny.

The rub remains that if there were more than three shots we still only have evidence for three, and all that evidence points to the Sixth Floor, where we only have evidence of one shooter. Unless Robert can somehow prove that the zfilm was faked or tampered with have fairly strong evidence of three being the limit. All from the TSBD.
 
It's one of the things that I came to realise about the multiple gunmen theorists is that they'd have to be the worst bunch in the world hired by an incompetent. Engineering a most audacious crime such as the assassination of a President would mean you'd want the minimum of people involved. One tight team of a sniper and spotter using, say something like a Remington 700. Something that is quick, accurate and causing enough confusion to allow you to be on your toes before anyone realises what's going on. Get a team that shows proficiency and competence and have some experience, and can blend into a crowd.
Or better still get one guy to go in Kennedys room and suffocate him with a pillow.
Job done with a minimum of fuss and certain to succeed, yeah shooting him in plain sight of hundreds of people was the best option for the CIA. :rolleyes:
 
Unless Robert can somehow prove that the zfilm was faked or tampered with have fairly strong evidence of three being the limit. All from the TSBD.
Roberts problem is that he claims the film was faked and it shows a shooter from the grassy knoll or front (depending on which side of the bed hes got out of) and that the CIA framed Oswald????
If the CIA framed Oswald why does the film they faked cast doubt (according to Robert)on the lone shooter from the rear?

I hope he addresses it at some point.
 
Despite the probability that this has been mentioned before, I am going to bring up something based on personal experience and observation.

I live near Dallas, I have been to the "6th" floor museum (it's really on the 5th floor as I'm sure everyone knows) and I am an experienced target shooter. I was in the US Army and scored expert with a rifle and marksman with a pistol. I have improved my skills with both types of firearms through extensive practice and participation in competitive shooting.

On my first trip to the SBD, I was astounded at how easy the shot would have been from the "sniper's nest". Even allowing for the actual shooting perch being ~10 feet higher up, the shot is very simple to anyone who has received a decent amount of training and all USMC riflemen (EVERYONE in the USMC is a rifleman first) get very intense rifle training.

3 shots in 6 to 8 seconds with a bolt action rifle from that distance on a slow moving target, very, very doable.

Of course to Robert Prey, this is going to be labeled speculation but I consider it an educated observation by a knowledgeable person. Kind of like the 40 witnesses he keeps mentioning.

Robert, I have not read every line you have ever written but I have one question for you if you wouldn't consider it to difficult to answer. I'm sure it's been asked before.

Why has NO ONE come forward in nearly 50 years and admitted they were part of the huge conspiracy? If they have, I have missed the report on that.

Indeed you have. Always a prime suspect, E. Howard Hunt finally gave a death bed confession on video to his son. You can find it on YouTube.
 
It's one of the things that I came to realise about the multiple gunmen theorists is that they'd have to be the worst bunch in the world hired by an incompetent. Engineering a most audacious crime such as the assassination of a President would mean you'd want the minimum of people involved. One tight team of a sniper and spotter using, say something like a Remington 700. Something that is quick, accurate and causing enough confusion to allow you to be on your toes before anyone realises what's going on. Get a team that shows proficiency and competence and have some experience, and can blend into a crowd.

Like, for example, the same CIA/MAFIA team that was set up to kill Castro, devising the least fool proof strategy of a 3 way sniper team in a triangular arrangement, practiced and ready for their next target -- the US President.
 
Indeed you have. Always a prime suspect, E. Howard Hunt finally gave a death bed confession on video to his son. You can find it on YouTube.
First, you don't even provide a link, just "find it on YouTube" as if YouTube is a source of evidence. Even then it is mostly Alex Jones nonsense.

Second, there was no deathbed video, just some undated audio tapes.
 
Oswald Did It. No Question. 3000 Pieces of Evidence

3000 Pieces of evidence can't be wrong. Oswald did it and did it alone.

It's a video well worth viewing. The ABC special featuring Dale Myers "fool proof" analysis of the single bullet "fact" not theory. But then comes Peter Jennings with more of the official Warren Commission talking points, coming right down from American Intelligence to ABC. Who could refute 3000 pieces of evidence as Peter Jennings authoritatively intones? Why if even one or two of the "pieces" are slightly questionable, you still have 2,997 other pieces of evidence to deal with. Sadly, Mr. Jennings does not list those 3000 pieces of evidence so that deep thinkers might scrutinize them. However, he does mention three of those incriminating pieces. Presumably, the three strongest pieces of evidence that Lee Oswald, the loser, the "waif" as he was called, was solely responsible for the Crime of the Century. And just what were those three pieces of evidence??? Well, let's do it the Letterman way. Are you ready for this, boy and girls? First of all,

Number Three:

Trumpet fanfare (Ta ta ta tah, ta tah)

Oswald's fingerprints were found on boxes on the 6th floor of the TSBD, including the sniper's nest. That proves he shot the president, and did it all by himself. Never mind that he worked there, and it was his job to move those boxes. Just never mind, boys and girls because the evidence gets a lot better.

Number Two Piece of Evidence that Oswald did it and did it alone:

Oswald's Palm Print was found on the rifle. Now boys and girls, I know that some critics say there was no palm print found, and indeed the FBI found no palm print from the evidence released form the DPD on Nov. 22nd, but some time later Lt. Day did send them a photo of a palm print he said he found on the rifle, but not sent till Nov. 29th. Why later? Perhaps because it was ony after the FBI paid a visit to the Oswald funeral parlor with the rifle and placed his palm on it.
("Miller Funeral Home director Paul Groody told this author that the FBI fingerprinted Oswald's corpse. Groody said 'I had a heck of time getting the black fingerprint ink off of Oswald's hands.' In 1978, FBI agent Richard Harrison confirmed to researcher Gary Mack that he had personally driven another Bureau agent and the 'Oswald' rifle to the Miller Funeral Home. Harrison said at the time he understood that the other agent intended to place Oswald's palm print on the rifle 'for comparison purposes.' Oswald had been fingerprinted three times while alive and in Dallas police custody. There has been no explanation for this postmortem fingerprinting."-- from "Crossfire" by Jim Mars

This may seem unseemly for the FBI, but they just had to do it for the sake of the country. But wait the

Number One Piece of evidence should end all doubt that Oswald did it and did it alone:

Trumpet fanfare: (Ta ta ta tah, ta tah)

Ballistics. Yes indeed, boys and girls, solid ballistic evidence that all of the bullets fired at the President came from the same Carcarno Rifle -- Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world. This comes from something very technical that measures metalic impurities in a lead content bullet with a nuclear reactor called Neutron Activation Analysis -- bombarding two fragments with neutrons and their radioactive characteristics compared. Now I know that none of you boys and girls probably have a nuclear reactor in your basement so that you can't really test these results yourself, so you have to just trust a certified Expert on the subject, and leave it at that. The fragments were examined twice by neutron activation analyses, first by the FBI in 1964 (results inconclusive) and then by Vincent Guinn, a professor of chemistry at the University of California at Irvine in 1977. Guinn made measurements of the lead and antimony content of bullet C399 and another fragment.which were "indistinguishable," which in the language of the proponents means they were "identical." Thus, all of the bullets and fragments came from the same batch of bullets proving that Oswald did it and did it alone. David Lifton asked Guinn as to the legitimacy of the fragments and if he could have been fooled. Guinn said, "Posssibly. They could take a bullet, take out a few pieces and put it in the containers and say," This came out of Connally's wrist, and naturally, if you compare that with bullet 399, they'll look alike... I have no control over those things. I have to believe these are honest people."
But the "evidence used to rule out a second assassin is fundamentally flawed," concludes a new article in the Annals of Applied Statistics. Former FBI lab metallurgist William A. Tobin and Texas A&M University researchers Cliff Spiegelman and William D. James concluded that re-analysis involved new statistical calculations and a modern chemical analysis of bullets from the same batch Oswald purported to have used. They reached no conclusion about whether more than one gunman was involved, but urged that authorities conduct a new and complete forensic re-analysis of the five bullet fragments left from the assassination in Dallas. "This finding means that the bullet fragments from the assassination that match could have come from three or more separate bullets," the researchers said. "If the assassination fragments are derived from three or more separate bullets, then a second assassin is likely."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/16/AR2007051601967.html

Thus, just like every criminal trial involving "experts" it's always the prosecution's "experts" versus the defendant's "experts" and the non-expert juror can either flip a coin, or just try using some common sense.

But I really think it's important for all assassination buffs to view this ABC video which reveals just how the hoodwinking of America was still being carried out even 50 years after the event. And just how was that magic 3000 number derived? My guess is, ABC taking a que from American Intelligence simply pulled it right out of the air. Just as Joseph Goebbles is said to have remarked, if you're going to create a lie, make sure it's a whopper. People would be much more likely to believe a big lie than a mere shading of the truth.

The video may be viewed at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM
 
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First, you don't even provide a link, just "find it on YouTube" as if YouTube is a source of evidence. Even then it is mostly Alex Jones nonsense.

Second, there was no deathbed video, just some undated audio tapes.

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Presumably, the three strongest pieces of evidence that Lee Oswald, the loser, the "waif" as he was called, was solely responsible for the Crime of the Century.

Right here, we see the main problem with the conspiracy theorist's grip on reality: He believes that an earth-shattering effect can only be brought about by an earth-shattering cause. It's scary to think that we live in a world where one person or one small group of people can do something that changes everything. That's exactly the world we live in, though.
 
Like, for example, the same CIA/MAFIA team that was set up to kill Castro, devising the least fool proof strategy of a 3 way sniper team in a triangular arrangement, practiced and ready for their next target -- the US President.

Was part of that plan to make it look, through seemingly impossible to fake films and photographs that there had only been one shooter?

Were there perhaps differences between that plot, and indeed numerous other proposed Castro assassinations and the JFK assassination?

Is there any reason why the "least foolproof" should be considered viable?

Might there in fact be entirely different circumstances required for US agents to get close to a US target and for example, insertion into hostile police states?
 
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