DHS Preparing For Civil War In The US?

[Clayton Moore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LuP7_zKZVFE
Published on Apr 7, 2012

Recent massive ammo purchases by US domestic agencies, Obama's Executive Order to prepare for martial law and recent anti-protests laws all point to one thing.

The US Department of Homeland Security and the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Office have placed a massive order for ammunition. The two departments are asking for 450 million rounds of bullets to be delivered in a time-frame of five years. The contractor, Alliant Techsystems, was awarded the contract and will produce .40 caliber high-performance bullets to the agencies. The order has many wondering why would DHS and ICE need so many bullets. David Seaman, journalist and host of the DL Show, helps us answer why the order was placed.

Anyone know why Homeland Security and the ICEO ordered all this ammo?

 

[AdMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjF1bG5LUcs

Published on Apr 7, 2012



Anyone know why Homeland Security and the ICEO ordered all this ammo?

Anyone know why the video has nothing to do with the post?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Anyone know why the video has nothing to do with the post?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LuP7_zKZVFE

oooops

 

[billw]

Anyone know why Homeland Security and the ICEO ordered all this ammo?

So that they have plenty of firepower when they come to confiscate your guns, microchip you, and put you in a FEMA concentration camp where you'll be forced to drink fluoridated water while sitting next to a Smart Meter.

 

[Greedo]

Oh, Russia Today. Why not the Onion?

 

[catsmate]

Wasn't this nonsense addressed last year?

 

[Sceptic-PK]

Repost.

 

[phiwum]

Anyone know why Homeland Security and the ICEO ordered all this ammo?

Or whether?

Sorry if the YouTube link provided a citation. I very rarely bother to follow YouTube cites. They take too damn much time to watch, when I could skim a wall of text and find what I want to know.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Anyone know why Homeland Security and the ICEO ordered all this ammo?

Well obviously they only need 300 million rounds, but they overordered by 50% in case some victims need a second shot into the back of their heads.

Very practical people. They think of everything.

 

[BStrong]

Mandatory training and qualification burns through ammo, and it's cheaper in larger quantities.

You can run through 1K rounds per trainee in a two day course, and DHS has several thousand officers.

 

[jimfish]

Like most other RT stories, they seem to have gotten hold of this one from a fearmongering chain email, one that that went around in March last year. They even kept the same "it's enough bullets to kill us all!" doomsaying.

From the chain email:

The Department of Homeland security has just executed an order for enough rounds of 40 caliber ammunition to kill every man, woman and child in the United States.

From an RT article:

...during which they plan to blow through enough ammunition to execute more people than there are in the entire United States.

Anyway, PolitiFact does a sound job on the claim, returning a verdict of: "Mostly False."

 

[Horatius]

It's hard to find exact numbers, but various sites have listed the number of employees of DHS at anywhere from 180,000-240,00.

http://www.uiowa.edu/~c030001/execu...and Security/DeparmentOfHomeLandSecurity .htm


Now, this 450 million is actually the limit over 5 years, so 90 million per year.

Let's assume there are 200,000 DHS employees (mid-range for the available estimates). Not all of them will be armed, so let's say 25% are. That's 50,000 people.

90 million rounds divided by 50,000 agents is 1800 rounds per person. If they go to the range to practice once a month, that's 150 per person, per month.

The last time I went to the range, I fired at least 100 rounds, and that was just some regular everyday Canadians having fun. It's no problem at all imagining professionals running through 150 rounds at the range.

The Glock pistols in .40 caliber seem to have 15 round magazines, so that's only 10 magazines per month.

End of math lesson.

 

[Horatius]

Anyway, PolitiFact does a sound job on the claim, returning a verdict of: "Mostly False."

From that link:

Chandler said earlier that Homeland Security oversees more than 135,000 weapons-carrying officers.

Our calculation: If those officers go through all the possible 450 million rounds at the same rate each over five years -- admittedly, an unlikely balance -- each officer will have used about 667 bullets a year.

So my estimates above are very conservative.

 

[BStrong]

It's hard to find exact numbers, but various sites have listed the number of employees of DHS at anywhere from 180,000-240,00.

http://www.uiowa.edu/~c030001/execu...and Security/DeparmentOfHomeLandSecurity .htm


Now, this 450 million is actually the limit over 5 years, so 90 million per year.

Let's assume there are 200,000 DHS employees (mid-range for the available estimates). Not all of them will be armed, so let's say 25% are. That's 50,000 people.

90 million rounds divided by 50,000 agents is 1800 rounds per person. If they go to the range to practice once a month, that's 150 per person, per month.

The last time I went to the range, I fired at least 100 rounds, and that was just some regular everyday Canadians having fun. It's no problem at all imagining professionals running through 150 rounds at the range.

The Glock pistols in .40 caliber seem to have 15 round magazines, so that's only 10 magazines per month.

End of math lesson.

I don't know about DHS officers, but even though I'm retired (or retarded depending on who is describing me) I go through 1,000 to 1,200 centerfire pistol rounds every month (weekly practice)

Not so much fun now that I'm paying for it.

 

[Horatius]

I don't know about DHS officers, but even though I'm retired (or retarded depending on who is describing me) I go through 1,000 to 1,200 centerfire pistol rounds every month (weekly practice)

Not so much fun now that I'm paying for it.

So that's about 250-300 rounds per session. So, this seems perfectly reasonable once you do the math, and think about what their job entails.

So of course it's not at all surprising that none of the CTists have done even this minimum amount of reality-checking.

 

[Spindrift]

So that's about 250-300 rounds per session. So, this seems perfectly reasonable once you do the math, and think about what their job entails.

So of course it's not at all surprising that none of the CTists have done even this minimum amount of reality-checking.

One of the basics of CTism is that Big Number = SCARY! (context is irrelevant)

 

[A'isha]

Wasn't this nonsense addressed last year?

Yes.

 

[dafydd]

So that they have plenty of firepower when they come to confiscate your guns, microchip you, and put you in a FEMA concentration camp where you'll be forced to drink fluoridated water while sitting next to a Smart Meter.

And inject you full of vaccines.

 

[dafydd]

So of course it's not at all surprising that none of the CTists have done even this minimum amount of reality-checking.

What do you expect, a miracle?

 

[Border Reiver]

Oh, and of course the purchase date being at the end of a fiscal year when gov't agencies are required to either expend their budgets or face having them trimmed had nothing to do with filling a large order....