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Akhenaten said:
I'd suggest that the bogus Book of Abraham is evidence enough of shenanigans.

49 verses consisting of 2,000 words derived from a fanciful 'translation' of less than four lines of a fragment of papyrus?

He had to know that he was making it up out of whole cloth.
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Absolute rubbish. Non believers have no right, authority, knowledge or understanding to qualify them to comment on sacred matters of which they know nothing.

The Pearl of Great Price, which contains the Book of Abraham is inspired and sacred Christian Scripture.
 
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Janadele said:
Absolute rubbish. Non believers have no right, authority, knowledge or understanding to qualify them to comment on sacred matters of which they know nothing.

The Pearl of Great Price, which contains the Book of Abraham is inspired and sacred Christian Scripture.
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The Book of Abraham is "translated" from common Egyptian funerary texts, none of which were written by, or refer in any way to, Abraham. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham (As a starting place.)
 
Janadele said:
Absolute rubbish. Non believers have no right, authority, knowledge or understanding to qualify them to comment on sacred matters of which they know nothing.

The Pearl of Great Price, which contains the Book of Abraham is inspired and sacred Christian Scripture.
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I guess $2,400 was the going price for sacred scriptures in Joesph's day.

Sounds to me like your sacred con man got conned.
 
Janadele said:
Absolute rubbish. Non believers have no right, authority, knowledge or understanding to qualify them to comment on sacred matters of which they know nothing.
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We are not commenting on sacred matters. We are commenting of the fraud committed by Joseph Smith in the production of the Book of Abraham.

It is you that lack the authority, knowledge, or understanding necessary to comprehend what a deliberate sham it is.

(Not sure how 'right' would come into this either way.)

The Pearl of Great Price, which contains the Book of Abraham is inspired and sacred Christian Scripture.
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It is a fabrication, a base lie. You remember that Satan guy you keep telling us about? Well, turns out, he founded a religion about 180 years ago.
 
skyrider44 said:
Nice try. Atheists are atheists because of what they proactively believe, including the following: 1) The Big Bang created the Earth (and more). 2) Darwinism is true. 3) Moral principles are to be drawn from philosophers, political leaders, great literature, and (oh my gosh!) even religion. 4) Religion does more harm than good. 5) The political "left" is preferable to the political "right" (though some atheists are Republicans). In other words, you cannot conclude there is no God unless you formulate a set of underlying beliefs, even though I may agree with some of them.
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Making up your own definitions does not further your argument. Are you being deliberately dishonest or are you simply mistaken?
 
Janadele said:
No it was not, as I have posted previously.

Wikipedia is not a credible source.
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I've seen the evidence. There is zero evidence that the Book of Abraham is anything but a fraud. The idea that a story abut a different religion would be included in the Egyptian religious text for the next life is absurd. We have the illustrations of Smith's and other Papyri. It's an obvious fraud. Few if any non-Mormons who looked at the evidence would come down on the side of Smith. There is no evidence for it being authentic and lots of evidence that it is a fraud.

Decrypting the Mormon Book of Abraham
 
The evidence is overwhelming.

Below is a photo of the actual scroll fragments. It can be clearly seen what portions were "reconstructed" for publication in Mormon writings. The papyrus had obviously been glued to a heavy paper backing at the time it was in Smith's possession (the back side of the backing paper had a map of the Kirtland, Ohio area, and architectural drawings for a temple), and crude sketching is obvious in the missing areas of the illustration.
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The study of Egyptian funerary art has progressed extensively during the intervening century, and it is painfully obvious to modern Egyptian scholars that Smith's speculations missed the mark. Below is a modern reconstruction of what the missing pieces likely contained, based on contents of similar funeral documents.
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And instead of this being a portrayal of an attempt by an idolatrous priest to sacrifice Abraham, contemporary Egyptian scholars identify it as a mythical stylized funerary scene portraying the embalming and expected resurrection of Osiris, god of the underworld.
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Janadele said:
Absolute rubbish. Non believers have no right, authority, knowledge or understanding to qualify them to comment on sacred matters of which they know nothing.

The Pearl of Great Price, which contains the Book of Abraham is inspired and sacred Christian Scripture.
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Don't be silly. Who are you to say what rights we have and don't have? Your books are lies and the founder of your religion is a fraud. I'll decided when I say that and to whom with out regard to your assessment of my rights.
 
Janadele said:
NO.
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Over the next two years Chandler toured the eastern United States, displaying and selling some of the mummies.[3][4]

In July 1835, Chandler brought the remaining four mummies and associated papyri to Kirtland, Ohio, then home of the Latter-Day Saints. Although the Rosetta Stone had been discovered in 1799, the ability to read Egyptian wasn't well developed until the 1850s. Chandler asked Joseph Smith to look at the scrolls and give some insight into what was written on them, due to Smith's notoriety and claim to have translated the golden plates of the Book of Mormon. After examining the scrolls, Smith, Joseph Coe and Simeon Andrews purchased the four mummies and at least five papyrus documents for $2,400.[5

Looks like the word of god costs $2,400.
 
Janadele said:
Absolute rubbish. Non believers have no right, authority, knowledge or understanding to qualify them to comment on sacred matters of which they know nothing.

The Pearl of Great Price, which contains the Book of Abraham is inspired and sacred Christian Scripture.
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You make here an assumption which is huge, rash, arrogant and almost certainly unachievable. To assume that knowledge and acceptance are the same thing is utter nonsense of a degree so great that I have had to rewrite it more than once to avoid actually stating the ad hominem insults that leap to the mind of any sane person reading your post.

At the very least, I hope you will henceforth never dare to comment on the veracity of any religion but your own.
 
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