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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Robert Prey said:
Factually incorrect. The enigmatic Humes quote does not come from some phone conversation but from the Warren Commission Hearings.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/html/WC_Vol2_0184b.htm
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And it's not enigmatic at all, but an explicitly clear quote: it's impossible that the bullet that was fired and that exited Kennedy's skull to have come from any other direction than behind. Since "front" is not "behind", Humes is very clear that it's impossible that the bullet could have been fired from the front.

You really are posting self-defeating arguments on purpose, aren't you?
 
JayUtah said:
We have also asked Robert and any other conspiracy theorist to tell us their version of the evidents that day in Dallas, and to name other suspects.
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A ridiculous, sophomoric invitation to the embrace the fantasy realm of speculation. Failure to name a perp, does not mean that another perp does not exist. Obviously.
 
JTF said:
"What is the one single strongest piece of evidence proving a lone assassin?"

JARGON: ALL of the concrete data linking the murder of JFK to a specific weapon can be directly traced back to one person and one person only. Oswald purchased the murder weapon, his palmprint is on the murder weapon, the murder weapon was found in the building where he worked, and the two bullets that hit their targets were fired from that weapon to the exclusion of all other weapons.
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But, in this thread, who cares about actual evidence?

Welcome aboard, JTF.
 
JayUtah said:
Well, I misspoke. Your incessant and increasingly frantic attempts to shift the burden of proof are no longer cute, and have grown tedious. Especially since those attempts are pretty much the only content you post anymore.

As I said, you seem to be laboring under the false impression that if you make an affirmative claim and offer a certain kind of evidence in favor of that claim, the only valid rebuttal must come in the form of an affirmative statement to the opposite effect, and be supported by equal or greater amounts of the same kinds of evidence. Sorry, but in the real world you do not get to limit your critics to making the kinds of rebuttals for which you are the most prepared.

You are the one claiming your "forty plus medical witnesses" are so superlative that they trump all other evidence. That is a bar you set for your evidence, not anyone else. It isn't our fault that you're now discovering that your evidence doesn't clear the bar.
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The evidence is way over the bar and you know it. Your evidence, on the other hand, remains at zero.
 
ANTPogo said:
And it's not enigmatic at all, but an explicitly clear quote: it's impossible that the bullet that was fired and that exited Kennedy's skull to have come from any other direction than behind. Since "front" is not "behind", Humes is very clear that it's impossible that the bullet could have been fired from the front.

You really are posting self-defeating arguments on purpose, aren't you?
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"...Or to have exited from other than behind." Why did you leave that out?

Harold Rydberg:
"He was saving his name and face for the people he knew would know what he was [doing]. If you knew Dr. Humes, you'd know that he could speak that way. "
 
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Robert Prey said:
Rule NO. 1. One question or challenge at a time. (But all that garbage has been answered and debunked. Medical witnesses are not authoritative conclusions, but facts in support of a logical conclusion namely, more than one shooter.)
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Bollocks. Even when fed one thing at a time, you fail to address the issues. This is an obvious dodge.
 
Robert Prey said:
"...Or to have exited from other than behind." Why did you leave that out?
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I didn't. You do know what "from behind" says about the direction of travel, right? If it exited from behind, that means it was traveling back-to-front, and so exited out the front.
 
Strange how you refuse to address this. Not only is Lipsey not a medical expert, he contradicts you and yet you include him in your list of 40+ medical witnesses. Explanation please.
Yeah, well as far as the exact x-rays were taken, no I don’t recall. I do recall the comments from the doctors, you know, who started examining the body before they did anything, you know, looking at the body, looking at where the bullets had entered the back of the his head. It was obvious that one bullet entered the back of his head and exited on the right side of his face and pretty well blew away the right side of his head.
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As usual, you have nothing, and worse, you misrepresent the witnesses you think you have.
 
Robert Prey said:
Rule NO. 1. One question or challenge at a time.
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Sum total of questions asked: 1

The rest of my post was an observation about what has not been provided to debunk or devalue any piece of actual evidence.

Feel free to answer the single question / challenge in my post as per your (meangingless) rule (that I see no reason to respect or recognise).
 
Robert Prey said:
A ridiculous, sophomoric invitation to the embrace the fantasy realm of speculation. Failure to name a perp, does not mean that another perp does not exist. Obviously.
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So you can't name a perp.
Any reason you can't supply your version of events on that day in Dallas, or are you unable to meet the most "Sophomoric" of challenges?

But glad to hear you have nothing to offer beyond fantasy and speculation.
 
Robert Prey said:
A ridiculous, sophomoric invitation to the embrace the fantasy realm of speculation. Failure to name a perp, does not mean that another perp does not exist. Obviously.
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So you're saying you don't have a testable alternate hypothesis? You've already speculated there was another shooter instead of or besides Oswald. Why so selective about where you stop speculating?

Or is this just another attempt to shame and insult your critics? Is it really true that all you have in this debate is, "All my critics are brainwashed" ?
 
Robert Prey said:
The evidence is way over the bar and you know it.
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Declaration of victory. What was that you said about people who do that?

Your evidence, on the other hand, remains at zero.
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Asked and answered. You are trying to corral your critics into your predetermined "killing field." Sorry, real debate doesn't work like that. Deal with the rebuttals that are on the table, not the ones you fervently wish were.
 
Robert Prey said:
A medical witness is a person who has medical knowledge whether by background or as being an official observer at a medical procedure or an autopsy.

You're welcome.
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I said "without disjunction." Look up what that means and what function the word "or" serves in a sentence.

As I suspected, you cannot do it. You insist on trying to have your cake and eat it too. You lump dissimilar witnesses together to pad out your list and impress us with the aggregate size. You cherry pick a few medical experts among the many, so that it seems you have a distinguished expert panel. Then you backfill the list with others who, for example, are merely hearsay witnesses.

Sorry, this does not answer my question. Please try again.
 
Robert wrote
How many times do I have to say it. I do not address speculation. Speculation is pointless. I only address facts. If you want to speculate, then anything is possible, like perhaps Jackie did it with a hidden pistol, or like some idiots claim, the driver, or the Umbrella Man. Focusing on a single shooter from the back ignores the basic question of one shooter as versus more than one. You can "prove" in your own mind that LHO did it and did it alone. And all the evidence you could point to for that could also be cited as evidence for a set up Patsy. But you cannot prove he did it alone. And 40 plus witnesses observing a large blow-out in the back of the head is strong evidence of at least one other shooter from the front. And that means conspiracy.
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Lol
We don't have to prove he did it alone, thats already been established with multiple pieces of evidence.
The burden is on you to prove the existence of another shooter.

And the reference to the medical witnesses is wearing a bit thin now robert, I suggest you change tack if you wish to keep this thread going. ;)
 
Robert Prey said:
Lipsey was indeed present at the autopsy, a medical procedure. And he did indeed say stuff like "... I feel that there was no really entrance wound -- in the rear of his head. There was a point where they determined the bullet entered the back of his head but I believe all of that part of his head was blown. "

That statement is very much like Humes DoubleThink statement:

"Scientifically sir, it is impossible for it to have been fired from other than behind. Or to have exited from other than behind."

Which makes him (Lipsey) confused. A witness for the blow-out in the back of the head, yes, -- not the best of the 40 witnesses. But not an impeached witness either.
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Mortadella

Learn how to read Robert, oh and thanks for admitting you hadn't read his testimony or that of any of the '40' before, lol
 
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Robert Prey said:
The astute JFK assassination scholar, wonders about the quality of all of the so-called "evidence." Others, simply worship at the feet of "authority."
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No Robert you are not a 'scholar' you are a poorly informed troll who worships at the feet of confusion.
 
Robert Prey said:
None of those witnesses have been impeached, including Lipsey. On the other hand, those with zero witnesses are safe from being challenged or impeached. A cowardly argument.
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Sorry Robert you are trying to fringe reset, lying about stuff really doesn't work - haven't you realized that yet?

I guess not
 
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