Continuation Part 4: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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This article from Perugia gives a much different report on Monica Napoleoni then reported on another site.

My Google read of it makes it appear that she had her officers find the car of a psychologist that had not agreed with her desires about placement of her kids. I'm totally hoping someone here can do a good job of translating.

The psychologist had her tire slashed and a note was left referring to her as a whore - hmmmm that does sound like old Monica Napoleoni.

hope someone can do justice to the article. Taking the law into her own hands hmmmm.
Grinder

Ok managed a Google translation of the link got the gist of the allegations against Napoleoni and others.

It’s an allegation but you are already making a judgement, ok that’s your prerogative.

A question in your opinion what is the difference between an annulment and an acquittal?
 
Grinder

Ok managed a Google translation of the link got the gist of the allegations against Napoleoni and others.

It’s an allegation but you are already making a judgement, ok that’s your prerogative.

I didn't make a judgment. The review by Yummi did make a judgment. As you say, please point to my judgment. I freely admitted that I have no Italian skills - some Spanish - so my read is of a Google. Monica Napoleoni according to Raf called Amanda a whore. The note left on the car called the psychologist a whore - from my best effort to read it. That doesn't make her guilty but she's the boss, someone looked at the psychologists records and the psychologist was harassed. Who do you think was behind it?

A question in your opinion what is the difference between an annulment and an acquittal?

I don't remember where the annulment designation came from but an annulment is declaring it never happened. An annulled marriage never happened unlike a divorce.

In the Mignini case they said go back and start over somewhere else without making a statement on the merits of the conviction. An acquittal at the appeal court level in Italy says the first made a bad judgment on the merits.

Where did you get the annulment word from in relationship to this case?

ETA - I must say that I would expect of you to be on side of the prosecutor making these charges. It takes a lot for one member of LE to charge another member. Yummi's work implied that she was only charged because they were her people not that she was involved. It stretches credulity to believe that these police people went after the psychologist on their own, risking their careers, without old Nappy knowing about it. If that turned out to be true, that would be an even bigger problem for the old homicide squad's integrity. They would be willing to go after a professional in their own town because of her professional opinion. What would they do to make sure their squad, town et al. didn't lose face?
 
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Grinder said:
I didn't make a judgment. The review by Yummi did make a judgment. As you say, please point to my judgment.

Grinder said:
The psychologist had her tire slashed and a note was left referring to her as a whore - hmmmm that does sound like old Monica Napoleoni.

hope someone can do justice to the article. Taking the law into her own hands hmmmm.

I may have misinterpreted references to “old Monica Napoleoni” and taking the law into her own hands, reads like someone making a judgement.

Grinder said:
I freely admitted that I have no Italian skills - some Spanish - so my read is of a Google. Monica Napoleoni according to Raf called Amanda a whore. The note left on the car called the psychologist a whore - from my best effort to read it. That doesn't make her guilty but she's the boss, someone looked at the psychologists records and the psychologist was harassed. Who do you think was behind it?

Difficult to provide an informed opinion, I guess I’d wait and see what happens with the case and try not to jump to conclusions.

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I don't remember where the annulment designation came from but an annulment is declaring it never happened. An annulled marriage never happened unlike a divorce.

In the Mignini case they said go back and start over somewhere else without making a statement on the merits of the conviction. An acquittal at the appeal court level in Italy says the first made a bad judgment on the merits.

Where did you get the annulment word from in relationship to this case?

The Machiavelli TJMK link did make a judgement and I remain surprised that no one has provided citations to contradict her/his conclusions; the first level verdict against Mignini was nullified.

So can anyone provide a citation that contradicts Machiavelli?
 
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ETA - I must say that I would expect of you to be on side of the prosecutor making these charges. It takes a lot for one member of LE to charge another member. Yummi's work implied that she was only charged because they were her people not that she was involved. It stretches credulity to believe that these police people went after the psychologist on their own, risking their careers, without old Nappy knowing about it. If that turned out to be true, that would be an even bigger problem for the old homicide squad's integrity. They would be willing to go after a professional in their own town because of her professional opinion. What would they do to make sure their squad, town et al. didn't lose face?

I would have to follow the trial listen to the evidence before making the kind of observations or judgements you appear to be making; if the first level trial found them guilty then the second level trial acquitted them I guess I would be where I am right now, waiting to see what the Supreme Court would make of the case. On the other hand the whole thing might be annulled like Mignini’s first level trial; who knows.

ETA: Given past Italian Presidents, Prime Ministers have faced trials it seems to be par for the course, in that context it’s not that shocking.
 
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The Machiavelli TJMK link did make a judgement and I remain surprised that no one has provided citations to contradict her/his conclusions; the first level verdict against Mignini was nullified.

So can anyone provide a citation that contradicts Machiavelli?

It's going to be a difficult year for Monica Napoleoni. My prediction is that when the Perugian wrongful conviction unravels after March 25, she will be the one thrown under a bus. My opinion, your mileage will vary.

Here's some links as to Mignini's Florence troubles.... first is from Wikipedia:

In 2006, Mignini was charged with abuse of office for allegedly ordering the illegal wiretapping of the phones of various police officers and journalists involved in the Monster of Florence case. In January 2010, a Florence court found him guilty of exceeding the powers of his office but acquitted of the remaining charges. He was given a 16-month suspended sentence. Mignini appealed the conviction, saying "My conscience is clear, I know I did nothing wrong." He remained in office through the appeal process, as Italian law does not consider convictions final until all appeals are exhausted. In November 2011, the Court of Appeal in Florence overturned Mignini's conviction for lack of jurisdiction and referred the case to the prosecutor in Turin to decide whether to re-file the charges. According to Rome-based journalist and author Barbie Latza Nadeau, even if Mignini were convicted, minor offenses such as this are rarely grounds for removing a prosecutor from office.

Given Nadeau's track record for predicting things, I hope Mignini is not taking solace from her comments!

Other links are available from Wikipedia.
 
It's going to be a difficult year for Monica Napoleoni. My prediction is that when the Perugian wrongful conviction unravels after March 25, she will be the one thrown under a bus. My opinion, your mileage will vary.

Here's some links as to Mignini's Florence troubles.... first is from Wikipedia:



Given Nadeau's track record for predicting things, I hope Mignini is not taking solace from her comments!

Other links are available from Wikipedia.
BillWilliams

I was kind of hoping for an Italian newspaper article, I guess we could debate the semantics and accuracy of the words “nullified” verses “overturned”, to be honest using London vernacular “I can’t be asked mate”, its late here.
 
BillWilliams

I was kind of hoping for an Italian newspaper article, I guess we could debate the semantics and accuracy of the words “nullified” verses “overturned”, to be honest using London vernacular “I can’t be asked mate”, its late here.

Both "overturned" and "nullified" work for me. I am positive that there's a meaning to the underlying Italian legal concept that neither you nor I understand.

It seems clear, though, that the Turin people can decide to resurrect the case against Mignini, which (given the caveat above) would start from scratch if done before statute of limitations run out.

Still, in my opinion, 2013 promises to be a difficult year for Mignini - for reasons you may or may not agree with. Time will tell. My prediction, to which I hope you hold me accountable, is that Napoleoni will be the one holding the bag for the Perugian Sollecito/Knox wrongful conviction.
 
Coulsdon,

Me thinks you are foisting a straw man. The discussion we were having was between annulment and acquittal, not overturned. The salient issue is whether Mignini was ever found not guilty on the merits and that's not the case. Since neither of us reads Italian, I find it interesting that you expect an Italian newspaper story.

No one, even Yummi, has said that the appeal court ruled on the merits that Mignini was not guilty.

To review: Mignini was charged with a variety of crimes in Florence and convicted on at least one charge. The appeals speaking only to jurisdiction said the case needed to start over in another jurisdiction. They made no comment on the merits of the case. The only court to hear the evidence and rule on it found the evidence such that Mignini was found guilty. Obviously it wasn't a kangaroo court or they would have convicted him on all counts.

I doubt that Turin will bother with the case because they don't have a dog in the fight.

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The Machiavelli TJMK link did make a judgement and I remain surprised that no one has provided citations to contradict her/his conclusions; the first level verdict against Mignini was nullified.

Coulsdon - really? No one denies that his guilty verdict no longer is in place, no one. You can repeat the canard as often as you like but it remains that he was found guilty by the only court that ruled on the merits. I don't believe that Mignini even denies what he did. He says eavesdropping on police and reporters is perfectly legal.
 
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Circumstantial evidence, Galati (and Super8)

Suppose we had a witness who saw Rudy running along the road from the apartment to Lana's around 10 p.m. on the night of 01 Nov 2007 and another one who saw him outside Lana's place, leaning against a tree out of breath. If we add those two pieces of evidence to the discovery of Meredith's phones in the garden the next day we can infer a fact. The fact is that Rudy took and threw Meredith's phones into Lana's garden. So, three pieces of circumstantial evidence = one fact.

We can take that fact and use it in combination with other facts to make other inferences. Rudy's DNA was found on the handbag in which Meredith kept her phones, for instance. That may be enough, in combination with the first fact, to infer another one - that Rudy stole the phones. We could certainly heap more facts on the pile to buttress that inference: evidence that Meredith was not in the habit of giving her phones to other people, cell tower pings, telephone records etc.

Going back to Rudy running along the road, that is not only a circumstance which, with other circumstances, allows us to infer a fact, it is also itself direct evidence of a material fact - namely that Rudy was running away from the direction of the apartment at that particular time. We might, with other evidence, start to draw inferences from that fact too, putting it to a different use to help us infer other facts. Thus, evidence can be both direct and circumstantial at one and the same time depending on what we do with it.

Wikipedia says this about circumstantial evidence:

Circumstantial evidence is evidence in which an inference is required to connect it to a conclusion of fact, like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or the intervening inference.
[highlight]On its own, it is the nature of circumstantial evidence for more than one explanation to still be possible.[/highlight] Inference from one piece of circumstantial evidence may not guarantee accuracy. [highlight]Circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection, so that the pieces then become corroborating evidence.[/highlight] Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more valid as proof of a fact when the alternative explanations have been ruled out.

I highlighted two sentences because they form the basis of a significant part of Galati's critique of Hellman-Zanetti. He accuses them of picking off individual bits of circumstantial evidence one by one without combining them into a coherent whole. Super8 [posting at IIP] rounded off his long post by parroting his understanding of Galati and accusing us of not grasping this not very deep concept but later passed over my request for further elucidation:

Clive Wismayer said:
Super8 said:
No single one of these proves AK committed the crime, and that is where the innocentitti (is that what you are called) fail in reasoning. Similar reasoning to Hellmann, [highlight]pick a point and say that doesn’t prove anything and totally fail to combine all into a single reasoned entity[/highlight]. Why do you start from an ‘AK is innocent’ viewpoint, do you not want to know who committed the crime.

I spy another Galati fan, like myself.

Super8, this is how you concluded your post and, if you have time, I would like to discuss just this part with you in order to understand better how we fail in our reasoning. Can you identify any points Hellman rejected which, if 'combined into a single reasoned entity' would bear greater weight as evidence for the prosecution?

I confess I have not waded through Galati fully but I have read the part where he attacks H-Z for their egregious mishandling of circumstantial evidence. If it were true that they had isolated individual pieces of circumstantial evidence from other pieces then Galati would certainly be on to something because that would indeed be a gross error. As the wiki quote says, circumstantial evidence is inherently ambiguous in isolation. Here's a little Galati on the point (take a deep breath before reading):

Galati appeal: Preface by komponisto* said:
But in addition to these learned definitions of the method of assessing circumstantial evidence, the Supreme Court has also suggested to the merit judge how to conduct the evaluation of multiple pieces of evidence of a circumstantial character. The Court has established [9] that “the rule articulated in the initial statement of C.P.P. Article 192, according to which ‘the existence of a fact cannot be inferred from circumstances’ — based, in rational terms, on the inherent ambiguity of circumstances themselves [ancorata, sul piano razionale, all'equivocità ontologicamente propria degli indizi], which enables them to be placed in (direct or inverse) causal relationships, with a multiplicity of causes or effects — serves to signify that [highlight][a single] circumstance is considered inadequate on its own to establish the facts[/highlight] [assicurare l'accertamento dei fatti].

Translation of the translation:
Circumstantial evidence, viewed in isolation, tends to be ambiguous. More Gelatine Galati.

Galati appeal: Preface said:
[Such a circumstance] acquires probative value only when multiple pieces of evidence can all be traced to a single cause or a single effect. In applying this, therefore, the judge must first examine each item of evidence [indizio], identifying all its possible logical connections, then ascertaining their gravity, which is inversely proportional to the number of such connections, as well as the precision, which is correlated to the sharpness of [the item's] contours, the clarity of its representation, to the direct or indirect source of knowledge from which it derives, [and thus] to its reliability. [The judge] must, finally, proceed to the final synthesis, ascertaining whether the items under examination are consistent [concordanti], i.e. whether they can be linked to a single cause or a single effect, so that the existence or nonexistence of the fact to be proved can be inferred.
Translation of the translation:
As Wiki says 'circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection'

This is Galati's punchline:
Galati appeal: Preface said:
This review of the Cassazione‘s jurisprudence on circumstantial cases grows out of the fact that [highlight]the Corte di Assise di Appello has not conducted a unified evaluation of the evidence and has not examined the various items of evidence in a unified and global manner. In the ruling under appeal, it has, on the contrary, made a hash out of [sminuzzato] the evidence; it has assessed each piece of evidence in an isolated way according to an erroneous logical procedure[/highlight], with the aim of critiquing its individual qualitative value; without noticing that, if it had followed the evaluative procedure dictated by the Cassazione, each item would have been integrated with the others, leading to an unambiguous clarification of what had been introduced [into evidence], so as to arrive at the logical proof of the fact: that is, the responsibility of the defendants for the murder.

Now, I am throwing out a challenge to Super8 (or anyone) to identify a piece of evidence that Hellman has treated in this way and to tell us how its assessment is affected by being combined with other evidence. And because I don't want to trick or trap him or her I should explain this further point about the Italian law governing circumstantial evidence, also taken from Galati:

Galati appeal: Preface said:
With the enactment of C.P.P. Article 192, our legislature has set forth the rules for assessing evidence in a criminal trial. Circumstantial evidence is dealt with in the second paragraph of the Article, which specifies that [highlight]“The existence of a fact cannot be inferred [desunta] from circumstantial evidence unless the latter is serious, precise, and consistent[/highlight]
What this does is introduce a threshold test. That is to say, before we get to combining this evidence with that evidence and drawing inferences from the combination, the pieces of evidence themselves must first be 'serious, precise and consistent'. For example, you might want to use the DNA evidence on the knife to show that it was the murder weapon, perhaps in combination with the evidence of its discovery in Raffaele's kitchen in an 'extremely clean' state and Amanda's visit to Quintavelle to purchase cleaning products on the morning of 02 Nov. However, you can't, because the DNA evidence is not 'serious, precise and consistent'. So you don't even get to start the combining process.

Now, I suspect Super8 and the legal geniuses at TJMK may not understand this. They probably think you can overcome the weaknesses of the DNA evidence by combining it with other circumstantial evidence to restore it to something of value. Dead wrong. Read Galati and he will explain it.



* komponisto deserves a Congressional medal of honour for wading through this verbiage imho
 
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Monica is clearly a dangerous criminal. I don't need evidence. Look at this picture, particularly the eyes. The rest is all 'could haves' 'might haves' and 'possible therefore probables'. Mere details.
 

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Suppose we had a witness who saw Rudy running along the road from the apartment to Lana's around 10 p.m. on the night of 01 Nov 2007 and another one who saw him outside Lana's place, leaning against a tree out of breath. If we add those two pieces of evidence to the discovery of Meredith's phones in the garden the next day we can infer a fact. The fact is that Rudy took and threw Meredith's phones into Lana's garden. So, three pieces of circumstantial evidence = one fact.

We can take that fact and use it in combination with other facts to make other inferences. Rudy's DNA was found on the handbag in which Meredith kept her phones, for instance. That may be enough, in combination with the first fact, to infer another one - that Rudy stole the phones. We could certainly heap more facts on the pile to buttress that inference: evidence that Meredith was not in the habit of giving her phones to other people, cell tower pings, telephone records etc.

Going back to Rudy running along the road, that is not only a circumstance which, with other circumstances, allows us to infer a fact, it is also itself direct evidence of a material fact - namely that Rudy was running away from the direction of the apartment at that particular time. We might, with other evidence, start to draw inferences from that fact too, putting it to a different use to help us infer other facts. Thus, evidence can be both direct and circumstantial at one and the same time depending on what we do with it.

Wikipedia says this about circumstantial evidence:



I highlighted two sentences because they form the basis of a significant part of Galati's critique of Hellman-Zanetti. He accuses them of picking off individual bits of circumstantial evidence one by one without combining them into a coherent whole. Super8 [posting at IIP] rounded off his long post by parroting his understanding of Galati and accusing us of not grasping this not very deep concept but later passed over my request for further elucidation:



I confess I have not waded through Galati fully but I have read the part where he attacks H-Z for their egregious mishandling of circumstantial evidence. If it were true that they had isolated individual pieces of circumstantial evidence from other pieces then Galati would certainly be on to something because that would indeed be a gross error. As the wiki quote says, circumstantial evidence is inherently ambiguous in isolation. Here's a little Galati on the point (take a deep breath before reading):



Translation of the translation:
Circumstantial evidence, viewed in isolation, tends to be ambiguous. More Gelatine Galati.


Translation of the translation:
As Wiki says 'circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection'

This is Galati's punchline:


Now, I am throwing out a challenge to Super8 (or anyone) to identify a piece of evidence that Hellman has treated in this way and to tell us how its assessment is affected by being combined with other evidence. And because I don't want to trick or trap him or her I should explain this further point about the Italian law governing circumstantial evidence, also taken from Galati:


What this does is introduce a threshold test. That is to say, before we get to combining this evidence with that evidence and drawing inferences from the combination, the pieces of evidence themselves must first be 'serious, precise and consistent'. For example, you might want to use the DNA evidence on the knife to show that it was the murder weapon, perhaps in combination with the evidence of its discovery in Raffaele's kitchen in an 'extremely clean' state and Amanda's visit to Quintavelle to purchase cleaning products on the morning of 02 Nov. However, you can't, because the DNA evidence is not 'serious, precise and consistent'. So you don't even get to start the combining process.

Now, I suspect Super8 and the legal geniuses at TJMK may not understand this. They probably think you can overcome the weaknesses of the DNA evidence by combining it with other circumstantial evidence to restore it to something of value. Dead wrong. Read Galati and he will explain it.



* komponisto deserves a Congressional medal of honour for wading through this verbiage imho
So basically you’ve copied a post from Injustice Anywhere (IA) and pasted it here, are you a member of IA?
 
Monica is clearly a dangerous criminal. I don't need evidence. Look at this picture, particularly the eyes. The rest is all 'could haves' 'might haves' and 'possible therefore probables'. Mere details.

It also looks like she's wearing a borrowed uniform. Obviously guilty.

Do you know how I discerned guilt? I had looked first at another picture of someone I only thought was Napoleoni, but was mistaken. I thought, "this woman is innocent. It's the other woman who looks like someone who would engage in a conspiracy to slash a tire and call someone 'whore'." Then I discovered that I'd mixed the two of them up, and it was this woman in the ill fitting uniform who was Napoleoni.

Therefore Napoleoni must be guilty. Yes, that's it.
 
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It also looks like she's wearing a borrowed uniform. Obviously guilty.

Do you know how I discerned guilt? I had looked first at another picture of someone I only thought was Napoleoni, but was mistaken. I thought, "this woman is innocent. It's the other woman who looks like someone who would engage in a conspiracy to slash a tire and call someone 'whore'." Then I discovered that I'd mixed the two of them up, and it was this woman in the ill fitting uniform who was Napoleoni.

Therefore Napoleoni must be guilty. Yes, that's it.

Seriously, knowing of what the ILE is capable, do you think Napoleoni will do differently than a naive kid from America?
You can tell a lot from pictures. There are places on the internet where experts can deduce things like racism and social ostracism this way.
 
As Wiki says 'circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection'

I believe you missed an important element in what Galati is saying, which is that the more connections are reasonable the less gravity can be attributed to that piece of circumstantial.

[qote]Originally Posted by Galati appeal: Preface
This review of the Cassazione‘s jurisprudence on circumstantial cases grows out of the fact that the Corte di Assise di Appello has not conducted a unified evaluation of the evidence and has not examined the various items of evidence in a unified and global manner. In the ruling under appeal, it has, on the contrary, made a hash out of [sminuzzato] the evidence; it has assessed each piece of evidence in an isolated way according to an erroneous logical procedure, with the aim of critiquing its individual qualitative value; without noticing that, if it had followed the evaluative procedure dictated by the Cassazione, each item would have been integrated with the others, leading to an unambiguous clarification of what had been introduced [into evidence], so as to arrive at the logical proof of the fact: that is, the responsibility of the defendants for the murder.
Now, I am throwing out a challenge to Super8 (or anyone) to identify a piece of evidence that Hellman has treated in this way and to tell us how its assessment is affected by being combined with other evidence. And because I don't want to trick or trap him or her I should explain this further point about the Italian law governing circumstantial evidence, also taken from Galati:
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Anglo it would be nice to have his list. My guess here is he is referring to the DNA, Curatolo, Quintavalle and the break-in. Guessing doesn't mean agreeing.

He does exactly what you then write. The biggest issue is the precision as I read it. The piece of evidence must be clear. The best example of this are the footprints, specifically the one on the mat. The only way it can be said to be Raffaele's OR Rudi's is to say it must one or the other's. That print could never have found either one of them if the PLE had the reference prints of all the men in Perugia or even in the immediate area. Compatible is not enough for precision.
 
I believe you missed an important element in what Galati is saying, which is that the more connections are reasonable the less gravity can be attributed to that piece of circumstantial.

Originally Posted by Galati appeal: Preface
This review of the Cassazione‘s jurisprudence on circumstantial cases grows out of the fact that the Corte di Assise di Appello has not conducted a unified evaluation of the evidence and has not examined the various items of evidence in a unified and global manner. In the ruling under appeal, it has, on the contrary, made a hash out of [sminuzzato] the evidence; it has assessed each piece of evidence in an isolated way according to an erroneous logical procedure, with the aim of critiquing its individual qualitative value; without noticing that, if it had followed the evaluative procedure dictated by the Cassazione, each item would have been integrated with the others, leading to an unambiguous clarification of what had been introduced [into evidence], so as to arrive at the logical proof of the fact: that is, the responsibility of the defendants for the murder.

Anglo it would be nice to have his list. My guess here is he is referring to the DNA, Curatolo, Quintavalle and the break-in. Guessing doesn't mean agreeing.

He does exactly what you then write. The biggest issue is the precision as I read it. The piece of evidence must be clear. The best example of this are the footprints, specifically the one on the mat. The only way it can be said to be Raffaele's OR Rudi's is to say it must one or the other's. That print could never have found either one of them if the PLE had the reference prints of all the men in Perugia or even in the immediate area. Compatible is not enough for precision.

Hmm. Not sure I see that the bit of Galati you quote says what you say it says. There is a lot of stuff about inverse proportions and so forth in Galati that may be the result of hundreds of years of thinking about evidence this way or might just be junk (we somehow get by without any of it). Here's an example of one of his inverse square laws:

Galati Preface said:
In a ruling from 1995[7], legitimacy jurisprudence [i.e. the Corte di Cassazione] explained the logical/inductive operation dictated by the legislature in the 2nd paragraph of C.P.P. Article 192. The Court explained that “The freely-held opinion [Il libero convincimento] of the judge in a circumstantial case, which manifests itself at the moment of assessment of evidence, is the correct result of a logical/inductive operation in which the teaching of experience is the major premise, the evidence is the minor premise, and the conclusion is the proof of the fact under examination, at which one arrives if the evidence is serious (that is to say resistant to objection and therefore convincing), precise (i.e. not susceptible to differing interpretation that is at least as likely), and consistent [concordanti] (which is to say not in contrast with itself and with other evidence that is certain).”
So, the teaching of experience is the major premise. Whoulda thunk it? I guess it's not entirely free of meaning. We assemble a jury of 12, not one, precisely so as to amass a range and variety of experience which can be brought to bear on the evidence. Not sure what calling it 'a major premise' or even a premise at all does, but what the heck.
 
Coulsdon, I'm very disappointed that you will not address the issue of whether Mignini having his case sent to a new jurisdiction by the appeal's court is the same as Hellmann's court finding on the merits that A & R were not guilty.

Also, on reflection it is strange that you demand an Italian account of Mignini but can't translate the article on Monica Napoleoni. Yummi account on this seems to say he knows of her domestic (divorce?) problems previous to this crime. He seems to skip the part of the case revolving around the fact that the psychologist seemed to recommend her husband instead of her.

Later he writes that the suspended cop was just operating on his own in stalking the psychologist but seems a stretch. That would indicate Monica Napoleoni shared these personal details in a very unprofessional manner. At best she would have put her people in a position to the crimes they did. There seems to be no doubt that the psychologists file was accessed illegally.

I write with so many seems because of my lack of the ability in Italian.

Anglo if one of your personalities has the Monica Napoleoni article translation please provide.
 
You can tell a lot from pictures. There are places on the internet where experts can deduce things like racism and social ostracism this way.

Really? I'm just dying to vilify Napoleoni because of that picture. Do you have a URL?

Now that the picture is there, we can now ask her to prove her innocence. After all she can be presumed guilty. Why? Because I started off neutral.

I say someone should slap her up the back of the head, then charge her with calunnia for whining about it.
 
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