Merged No Planer calls for scientific study / Missiles of 9/11

[Andy_Ross]

You need to stop paying attention to the elements that don't matter. The flanges do not matter. You are isolating and concentrating on an irrelevant element. As I told you above.

This is how all CT proponents work. Pick some small detail and bog everything down by fixing on it.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

This is how all CT proponents work. Pick some small detail and bog everything down by fixing on it.

Yes, agreed. It's exactlly how conspiracy peddlers create the illusion of debate: By honing in on the trivial factors and ignoring the dominant, causal ones.

 

[twinstead]

It's not hard to hone in on trivial factors when one ignores the preponderance of evidence.

 

[beachnut]

Cut and Paste Time, Physics Ruins Fantasy for 451

They didn't.

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/corrected-wall-distance.png

The cladding is first hit on the right dragging it with the wing to the right. The steel columns are pushed back. You don't have a point. You don't understand the cladding. You don't do physics. Your photos prove it was a plane, and when we cheat and look at the empirical data, we see a jet in the exact position we can verify by RADAR, more than one RADAR.
We are now in the repeat, and fail mode. You got failure down, what do you do for an encore?

You show half the damage? Propaganda? Lies? You sound like the government, the one in your fantasy, the one you hate. Spewing lies, spreading propaganda so stupid, it hurt, like TV. You got some spittle going with the, "They didn't"?

The photo shows the exact damage a 767 made on 911. Backed with RADAR.
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Flight_Path_Study_UA175.pdf
Empirical data supplied by you, the photo, and empirical data supplied by the NTSB, post by me.

No some math posted by you from MIT, where you make childlike comments, and have no clue it debunks your claims a 767 can't damage the WTC at 590 mph.
http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Chapter-IV-Aircraft-Impact.pdf MITKEYOUSOB What did MIT say?
You have no clue if 590 mph is right, you believe what you google up, you don't care, remember you prime directive?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

No, we know you don't care.
http://yankee451.com/2012/09/11/shanksville-crocodile-tears-for-the-fictional-dead/
You make fun of the dead. You lie about the dead.

What does 451 stand for? Is that like the book?


How did 3 missiles not seen (only two 767s were seen by real people, photos, and video, not to mention RADAR) carry 66,000 pounds of jet fuel?

What is the KE of a missile? Because there were no explosives used on 911, explosives would have killed everyone on the nearby floors, but some of those people lived. So we have inert missiles that did not go boom.

Physics Time.

KE energy of a missile, because there was no explosion from explosives on 911. So the missiles in your fantasy, the insane one which ignores the planes seen by anything which registers electromagnetic waves on 911, RADAR to eyeballs. lol, science defeats 451; 451 zero, science 1,000,017.

What is the KE of one JASSM, which did not go operational until 2009, because the did not work well, they had problems. The missile you picked for your fantasy, did not work right, took and extra tons of money to fix. The terrorists spent 6 bucks buying knives to kill the pilots to steal 160 million dollar KE weapons, and you picked a weapon you can't even calculate the KE of? School of Hard Knocks fails again, and looks more like the school of fantasy, where no knowledge, no math, no physics are prohibited.

What is the estimate of KE in the photo? I would say about 2,000 pounds of TNT, is equal to the KE seen in this photo.

KE of JASSM - one of them - even though they were only being tested and there might not be one available on 911.

JASSM KE is equal to 17 pounds of TNT
Flt175 KE is equal to 2093 pounds of TNT

OOPS, 451, you gots a problem...

It takes 126.18 JASSMs to equal one 767. You can't use a warhead because there were no blast effects on 911. Darn, you lost the Physics round of reality at JREF, but you could move your claptrap to "Pilots who Toot" over at Balsamo's 11.2g special physics for people who don't care.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

Nope

The real photo above, shows a jet fuel fireball created by an KE impact of a 767 with 66,000 pounds of jet fuel. It would take 66 JASSM to carry the jet fuel.

66 missiles required to carry the jet fuel on Flt 175.

LOL, your fantasy does not pass the Physics test. You lost due to, reality. Reality sucks. Your claims are like TV is to you.

Can your fantasy JASSM which was not in the inventory on 911 and was having development problems, carry 66,000 pounds of jet fuel? Hello? ''

Now that you failed where will you go? Disneyland?

 

[yankee451]

Also, the center of the engine is about 53'. That's almost 16 columns.

You need to slide that circle over some.

heh, I miscounted - is it not already at almost 16 columns?

 

[yankee451]

The vast majority of structural engineers and architects have no problem with the damage, and even expect it.

Dang - you know the vast majority? I've only talked to a few who were in the vast minority I guess.

 

[Gamolon]

heh, I miscounted - is it not already at almost 16 columns?

No.

Move the center of the circle on the center line of the next column to the right. That's the perimeter column.

 

[Clayton Moore]

1. Why in your opinion did the conspirators decide to fake the plane crashes in ways that are (in your opinion) so howlingly obvious? If you are trying to frame someone for murder, you don't poison the murder victim and then claim that the victim was shot. In other words, if the conspirators wanted to mislead the country into war by claiming Al-Qaeda crashed jets into buildings, why didn't the conspirators simply...crash jets into buildings? Even if the jets had done what you think they should have done and basically bounced off the sides of the WTC, the resulting crash still would have resulted in hundreds dead and wounded on the streets on New York and still would have been perceived by the American public as the most dastardly terrorist attack in U.S. history and therefore there'd still be support for the ensuing war. Why risk giving the game away to those educated in the "school of hard knocks" by faking the attacks in such an inept way?


What could go wrong if actual planes were not used? Not a heck of a lot. For instance at first the missing black boxes were PROOF that the government was hiding something. Later the BOXES were FOUND NOT by regular Joes and taken away by the Feds. This they went that-a-way reinforced the plane lie.


2. How were the conspirators able to fool/bribe/threaten virtually all Engineers, Pilots, Airport/Airline employees, Crash Scene Investigators, Reporters, Architects, Explosives Experts, Fire Fighters, Rescue Workers, Physicists and Police Officers but they weren't able to fool/bribe/threaten you or apparently anyone else in the Truth Movement?

They didn't. Those people don't want to risk their livelihood by rocking the 9/11 boat. A few, a very few, people/organizations/publications actively discuss what happened on 9/11. The authors of 9/11 realize letting sleeping dogs lie is best. WTC7 is a perfect example of that. If 9/11 was a real terrorist attack there would be a never ending litany of explanations and computer models recreating what happened in greater and greater detail.



4. If the U.S. Government really is as evil as you suggest, wouldn't you occasionally expect blowback in the form of what is popularly termed "terrorist attacks" by some of those people that the Government has wronged? If not, why not?

No. Because they never had the ability to perform "terrorist attacks" on a US scale to begin with.

 

[TheRedWorm]

No. Because they never had the ability to perform "terrorist attacks" on a US scale to begin with.

If they had attacked across the whole of the US simultaneously, you might have a point, but they didn't so you don't.

 

[Clayton Moore]

OK, so where are the planes?
Where are the passengers and crew?
Where did they go?

Like other famous conspiracies there were no planes or people to put into them.

 

[DGM]

Like other famous conspiracies there were no planes or people to put into them.

I bet you're disappointed he's getting more attention than you. You need to freshen up your game.

 

[dafydd]

Like other famous conspiracies there were no planes or people to put into them.

Name these other conspiracies.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Like other famous conspiracies there were no planes or people to put into them.

But there were planes. They have records right back to the manufacturers.

All the Airports they landed at have flight records, all the Pilots have records of the aircraft in their logbooks. Alll the service companies that worked on them have records, all the parts suppliers have records.
If there's one thing you can be sure of it is that the Civil Airline industry has comprehensive records of everything that is done to any aircraft and all the parts ever used on them.
So, we know the aircraft existed up until 911.
All the passengers and crew that were on them that day are also missing.

They have families and friends and work colleagues all say they are missing, their DNA was found at the crash sites

If the aircraft didn't crash as seen on 911, where did they go? Where are all the people? How did their DNA get to the crash sites?

 

[Spanx]

Also, the center of the engine is about 53'. That's almost 16 columns.

You need to slide that circle over some.

I think he needs to add another 7 inches to the left hand side, this allows for the measurements taken from the centres. So it looks like the wing over lapped the furthest left column by 3 inches.

 

[dafydd]

But there were planes. They have records right back to the manufacturers.

All the Airports they landed at have flight records, all the Pilots have records of the aircraft in their logbooks. Alll the service companies that worked on them have records, all the parts suppliers have records.
If there's one thing you can be sure of it is that the Civil Airline industry has comprehensive records of everything that is done to any aircraft and all the parts ever used on them.
So, we know the aircraft existed up until 911.
All the passengers and crew that were on them that day are also missing.

They have families and friends and work colleagues all say they are missing, their DNA was found at the crash sites

If the aircraft didn't crash as seen on 911, where did they go? Where are all the people? How did their DNA get to the crash sites?

Clayton, you ignored this again. That does not surprise me. You and your fellow truthers are a laughing stock.

 

[Animal]

Dang - you know the vast majority? I've only talked to a few who were in the vast minority I guess.

Sure you did....at the Google U alumni function.

And yes, the vast majority of structural engineers, architects etc laugh at troofer nonsense. It made for quite a few laughs at conferences and trade shows half a decade ago. Now, remaining troofers are regarded and pathetic basement dwellers. Looks like you are right at home with them.

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by Redwood
Seriously, Steve, part of me says you can't be serious, and a part of me is horrified that you might be serious. Either this is performance art in very poor taste, or you need to seek help.

Either way, I'm sure that Donna Spero, Stanley Praimnath, and other impact survivors would testify that an airplane wing did penetrate WTC 2. Just read about them, especially Ms. Spero, and don't try to contact them.

If you were to buttonhole Ms. Spero with the same manners you show here, she could sue you for harassment and she'd collect right down to your underpants. Throw in an accusation of being a part of the Vast Conspiracy, if she gunned you down in broad daylight in front of a hundred witnesses, no jury would ever convict her.

If the test proves what the damage evidence indicates and what Newtonian physics already predicts, the people with poor taste are listed above; they lied us into murdering hundreds of thousands of people. What punishment could fit that crime?

So, do you believe that Mr. Praimnath, Ms. Spero, and others who were actually in the impact zone of the South Tower, and actually witnessed the Boeing 767 impact the building and penetrate it, and in the case of Ms. Spero, were severely injured, are lying? Or are they under hypnotic suggestion? Or was it maybe a hologram, combined with deftly concealed explosives and drums of kerosene?

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://911crashtest.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HCDu2V3yjS4#!


There's a new idiom in town. Not seeing is believing.

We don't see the plane slow down as it ENTERS the tower.
And we don't see any debris at the point of the crash.

It seems odd the video has the alleged plane entering the building as if the plane was a solid mass not an object with varying densities and angles. Those varying densities of the plane met varying densities of the tower. Certainly at least the rudder should not have entered the tower.

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/Images/airplane.jpg

Edited by LashL: 

Changed hotlink to regular link. Please see Rule 5.

 

[Redwood]

My test will be better.

I sense something akin to fundamentalist preachers being bitten by rattlesnakes, 'cuz the Bible said they could do it, no problem.

 

[dafydd]

It seems odd the video has the alleged plane entering the building as if the plane was a solid mass not an object with varying densities and angles. Those varying densities of the plane met varying densities of the tower. Certainly at least the rudder should not have entered the tower.

Alleged plane, lol. Where did you study aircraft accident investigation? Talk us through the physics, complete with math.