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Sure thing. Straight from Ketchums lips from one of her interviews. (around 3:33)

Riv,
Thanks.
I'm sure you recognize a non-denial denial... AKA "we always do the right thing..." isn't exactly reassuring as regards a specific individual act which may not even have been under her direct control.

Dissecting Ketchum's statements for something factual is like trying to make spider webs into steel girders...If it can be done at all, it takes some fancy equipment that probably hasn't been invented yet.
 
Well if the
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has the published report, then it's good enough for me, game over BigFoot is the real deal, I better get the Crock Pot going and fetch me some crow ~ it's stew time.


Tim :rolleyes:
 
I just want this marked down for the record, I said over a year ago that we were going to see this in the National Enquirer or something of that ilk, yes indeedy.


OK, James Randy, I need my money now, please PM me immediately so we can arrange for a deposit because I am so psychic. Yep , this is right up there with Alien Autopsy.
 
The Ketchum study has found its way into the hands of a well-known journalist, who will be publishing it serially in a major eastern US newspaper, starting this coming Sunday, Feb. 3. In advance of the first installment, he/she has furnished me with a teaser: the bibliography. These are the sources used by Ketchum in formulating the background, methods, analyses and conclusions. It's a long list (as suits a major publication) so be sure to scroll though it.
 
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Well I don't know about the authenticity of all this, I found a small discrepancy in one of the articles, they say the following picture of Bigfoot was taken in 1978, I believe there is only a 0.0005%. that is true~

Tim :)
 

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Well I don't know about the authenticity of all this, I found a small discrepancy in one of the articles, they say the following picture of Bigfoot was taken in 1978, I believe there is only a 0.0005%. that is true~

Tim :)

Tim:
good catch; if Dr. Ketchum based her thinking on this mistake, her entire intellectual structure of the bigfoot genome may collapse like a house of cards.

I know this book.


Torpedo impact...


Your conclusions

were all wrong, Ryan.
 

I admire Dr. Regal's stance...this is a historical, social and psychological phenomenon, not a scientific one. I read his "eggheads" book... ok most of it. Writing history as it happens is in some ways more difficult than writing it many years after it happens. This is doubly true when dealing with a populist belief system. The signal to noise ratio is very small. Regal has also written about aspects of creationism. This is difficult stuff.

I would be willing to bet that he has spent thousands of hours on researching and writing about the bigfootery belief system and its advocates. Yet, because of the thousands of reports, legends, tales, myths, videos, statements, anecdotal "research" "studies", claims, websites, blogs, boards, images, organizations, shifting allegiances and changing attitudes, newsletters, radio interviews, pseudoscientific "reports," Facebook, Twitter, television programs, and other publications (not to mention rumors and "inside baseball" secret squirrel type 'knowledge'), it is manifestly impossible for him (even with his students) to even get his arms around all of what is claimed to be the "body of knowledge", for lack of a better expression (Not to mention the massive lack of internal consistency and the issues of reliability of each source and outright hoaxes). And, he must try not to offend anyone.

As a result, any "bigfoot" writings by Dr. Regal, even when limited to an isolated subject like Dr. Ketchum's study, are prone to inaccuracies, omissions, contradictions, misstatements, over-generalizations, simplifications, political correctness, straw men fallacies, unreliable sources, and other "errors." Writing a book about bigfootery is the equivalent of trying to walk from Red Wing to Bettendorf on the backs of greased pigs while blindfolded.

In practical terms, at present, there is no achievable historical (let alone "scientific) "truth" about bigfootery. Kudos to Regal for his efforts to at least note the salient issues.
 
From reading the threads at the BFF, it appears that a number of participants don't seem to understand the real issue in the discrepancy between the Sierra Steak-Ketchum-results and the Sierra Steak-Huggins/Cutino-results. Those BFFers seem to believe that the issue is about the bear DNA being mistaken for bigfoot DNA or vice versa. That is not the issue. No capable labs (like the ones involved in this adventure) would mistake bear DNA for primate DNA.*

The issue is that primate DNA was found by both groups. The Huggins-Cutino primate DNA is, by conventional testing in two labs, found to be human, and, specifically, that of the human named Justin Smeja. Whereas, the Ketchum primate DNA is, by conventional testing (mtDNA), also found to be human, and, according to repeated statements by Smeja, has not been compared against Justin Smeja's nuDNA, either by Dr. Ketchum's labs or via any nuDNA-sequence databank (because his nuDNA isn't IN any database). Instead of doing this obvious comparison with the man who originally obtained the sample in the field, Dr. Ketchum has apparently simply labeled the primate DNA as "bigfoot."

This whole thing can be easily settled if someone arranges for Justin Smeja to send a sample to illumina for sequencing of his nuDNA, and the results sent to Ketchum for comparison with the nuDNA sequence she found in the Sierra Steak sample.**

*Ketchum will sooner or later admit that there is bear DNA in her results.

**This would also make moot Ketchum's contention that the two groups are not dealing with the same "steak."
 
Brian Regal said:
...I have yet to see any evidence proving unambiguously that these creatures are real. Having said that, however, I think there is at least a certain evolutionary plausibility to these creatures, and I think cryptozoologists have something to add to our knowledge of the way the world works, though they have yet to figure it out.

What does he mean by that?

One of the telling aspects of this case is how many in the world of Bigfootery have been skeptical of Ketchum’s pronouncements if not outright hostile towards them. As if for true believers the news of a human/Sasquatch hybrid, or the way the news was made public, was too much for even them. I think this reaction is a healthy sign of a growing skepticism within the ranks of monster studies.

I want to disagree. I think that pessimism is the only realistic way to look at Bigfootery. If you think Bigfootery is getting better - you haven't looked and listened enough. For the most part there cannot be growing skepticism within the ranks because if there were it would collapse quickly.

But really Regal must be missing the common element in Bigfootery. "Ketchum is a scam and we need to prevent these kinds of crap, but I know Bigfoot exists because I saw one." Does he count that person as healthy growing skepticism?

AFAICT, there is nothing about the Ketchum Debacle that suggests that Bigfootery is getting smarter or tougher on itself.

All these shenanigans are bad news for cryptozoology...

No they aren't. It is the unsinkable duck.
 
This whole thing can be easily settled if someone arranges for Justin Smeja to send a sample to illumina for sequencing of his nuDNA, and the results sent to Ketchum for comparison with the nuDNA sequence she found in the Sierra Steak sample.**

*Ketchum will sooner or later admit that there is bear DNA in her results.

**This would also make moot Ketchum's contention that the two groups are not dealing with the same "steak."

I gave up trying to understand them on that thread, it is obvious to me that some just don't want to give up the fact that it ain't Bigfoot anything that has been found, others still believe the whole story and keep going with the published paper hopes, a few seem to have almost or entirely given up, but are almost in tears doing so.
For those folks I say~ Kudos for finally realizing this, the next step is they need to accept the fact that it was all a hoax and they fell for it.

Swallow the pill ~ Monkey Cult People ~ all of you where had from the beginning, you will heal faster the sooner you accept it.

Tim :)
 
In practical terms, at present, there is no achievable historical (let alone "scientific) "truth" about bigfootery. Kudos to Regal for his efforts to at least note the salient issues.

There may be truths, so to speak. The primary one is most ironic. It goes like this...


The longer that the world goes without Bigfoot confirmation the more people become convicted with their belief that it exists. The opposite is supposed to happen.

I'm partly basing this on the unmeasured observation that there are more Bigfoot believers now than there were 10 years ago. If that isn't true then I'll rethink this.

There are 2 different factors. The popularity of belief as a percentage of the total population. And the total number of believers.

The world population is always on increase so the total number of believers can rise steadily while the percentage of believers remains stable. I'm curious about what trends there are for those factors.

The passage of time has not caused Bigfoot belief to disappear.

With each passing year we have no confirmatory evidence.

With each passing year we have brand new faces declaring their conviction that Bigfoot exists. Last year, those same people would not have declared their conviction.

Bigfootery is not stopped by the passage of time. That is a "truth" about Bigfootery isn't it?
 
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This whole thing can be easily settled if someone arranges for Justin Smeja to send a sample to illumina for sequencing of his nuDNA, and the results sent to Ketchum for comparison with the nuDNA sequence she found in the Sierra Steak sample.**
So what if Smeja's sample doesn't (conveniently or not) match Ketchum's sequence?
 
Looks like bigfooters may have to hope for the Ketchum study.

Ketchum is all they got, but she has already got busted, not that it matters to them because of government conspiracy's and such, the bear DNA is the only logical answer to what they have going on over in Russia, the crypto world is riddled with miss-identification over the years, it always seems to be solved in the end with a known animal and never the myth.

Doesn't using a religious formula to make an animal always fail​

Tim :)
 
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